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Now Can We Talk About Free College?

November 18, 2020 by Lazy Man 11 Comments

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I have been planning to write this article for over a year after this Twitter discussion. Well, I had hoped to write about it before then, but that discussion renewed my interest. The idea of “free college” seems to be very political – it shouldn’t be.

We don’t get political about free high school. There was a time when a high school degree was acceptable for many white-collar jobs. When I went to college in 1994 that was the new normal. I can’t think of one kid in my class that didn’t go to college – but being in the higher academic classes, this is just my subjective view. I was fortunate and got a full scholarship, but my family had saved up for a long time for college costs.

Tuition wasn’t so bad in those days. It’s really become a big problem in the decade or two. This 5-minute video explains what’s wrong, but in general, loans became too easy, which meant that colleges could simply keep raising prices.



It’s a good time to bring this topic back. Harvard recently announced that all classes for the 2020/2021 year will be online. There will be no in-class instruction. Tuition however will still be around $50,000 a year. Harvard also has a $40 billion endowment. Harvard has had free online courses for years. I would hope that for all that extra money, the quality of education would be much, much better at the university. There would certainly be teacher interaction, which presumably is not available in the free courses. (Note: I haven’t taken any of the free courses.)

In my opinion, it seems strange that there’s such a price difference between the two. You’d almost have to work to make the online courses particular poor and of zero value.

I know comparing all schools to Harvard is silly, but many colleges are going to be online due to COVID-19. It’s not like they chose to. It’s simply the world we live in now.

Some students are rightfully pointing out that most school’s online tuition is a fraction of the cost for in-class tuition. For example, you can get a Master’s degree for $7,000 at Georgia Tech (and these cheap advanced degrees should be the future.) If classrooms are closed, what value do they get for the rest of their money?

How Could Free College Work

Many people object to the idea of free college because they presume they’ll have to foot the bill in the form of increased taxes. Yes, that would have to happen just like how taxes fund our public schools now.

Option 1: Free Online College

What if the version of free college isn’t what we viewed as the traditional college experience. What if there was a national curriculum of free courses just like the ones Harvard already offers. There are a lot of these classes already out there. MIT is another university that has free courses. To create a complete national curriculum, you’d have to fill in some gaps and maybe recreate the content (or license it) for legal reasons.

For lack of a better name let’s call this the National Online College. We should be able to find some marketing folk who can make it sound more exciting. (I’m obviously not one of those people.)

Creating many of these classes is a one-time cost. While some subjects like artificial intelligence will change over time, calculus is calculus. Spanish and Spanish literature doesn’t change much. Since there are already online learning resources of foreign languages with resources like Duolingo.

Additionally, there should be placement exams where students could earn credit for any previous study or knowledge. The goal here would provide students with a short path to a degree and not make them have to do years of busy work for the sake of earning the degree. Designing these exams would also be a one-time expense, though there would be some minimal annual maintenance.

I know, I know. Online learning is terrible. I just completed months of teaching my 6 and 7-year-olds through their tablets. Online learning is particularly bad for young kids. I think college students are able to handle it better. If college students knew it will get them a job that pays more money, that will provide a lot of motivation. My young kids can’t make the connection of education to financial stability to an easier life.

My National Online College idea would obviously not be the ideal college. It’s impossible to be ideal and online. However, it would be designed to be the lowest cost option – so low that it can be funded with minimal increase in taxes. That means that it shouldn’t be political and get strong support from the government.

The big question most have is, “Would this National Online College degree be worth anything? Can I get a good job with it?” That would be up to employers. It should be worth something if it’s designed well and if the exams are trusted indicators of proficiency. This might also be an area we could use marketing to overcome initial resistance. In the past there’s been a stigma against people who didn’t go to traditional colleges – this could be instead be marketed as students who are wise enough to avoid mountains of debt.

Currently, employers use a university’s name and reputation for validation of the job candidate. That can work for getting qualified people, but it feels more and more like the elite school’s value comes at the cost of years of debt. The National Online College would provide another alternative, even if it wasn’t the best learning environment, would help level the field.

Option 2: Free Community College

The taxpayers who say, “We don’t want to foot the bill for free college” aren’t going like this one. However, it’s already partially in place in a few states. For example, my home in Rhode Island has a free college plan. It isn’t open for all income levels, and it is a community college for an associate’s degree.

It’s a start and the governor is looking to expand it. This would improve on the National Online College idea above providing live instruction (assuming we return to pre-COVID-19 conditions). The community college experience would be better than National Online College one and they could work together. For example, after going to community college, you would likely be in a better position to score better on the National Online College’s proficiency exams.

Option 3: Free College, Cancel Debt

This is the option that you hear from Bernie Sanders. I’m for it with some restrictions – such as colleges not building lazy rivers. (There’s some discussion that the amenities don’t raise the price of colleges much – but this spending simply isn’t compatible with the idea of free college.)

However, I realize that this is a tough sell for many taxpayers. I think we could do it with Elizabeth Warren’s wealth tax. Those ideas seem too progressive at this time.

The other reason why I don’t like this option as much is that it keeps colleges in a ranking system. It would be great if society could get to a place where a person passing the National Online College test gets the same opportunity in the workplace as someone who went to Princeton.

Final Thoughts

I’m not an expert on education. I don’t even pretend to play one in the government like Betsy DeVos. (Note: She is wealthy through ownership MLM/pyramid scam Amway.) There are many people with more experience in this area than I am.

However, I do have a few advantages over many of those people. I can simply anonymously blog about ideas freely without any political repercussions. I also don’t have to do any of the work in changing the system. Lastly, I’m sure things get very complex at the low level of implementing such a plan. Finally, at 1300 words, there’s no expectation that this is a complete solution.

Filed Under: College Tagged With: free college

Rhode Island Promises Free College – Let’s Discuss

July 8, 2020 by Lazy Man 2 Comments

I live in Rhode Island. It’s no secret that it’s the smallest state. The population isn’t much bigger at around a million people. Compared to Massachusetts and California where I’ve lived before, not much happens here.

Rhode Island Promises Free College

Last night the local news mentioned that Rhode Island would be eligible for free tuition at all of its state schools. The tuition is regardless of family’s income level. The student, for the most part, has to be stay in good standing and be on track to graduate on time with the school.

One more thing… only two years of college would be covered. If a student wants to pursue an associate’s degree at CCRI, tuition is straight-up free. If the student is going to a 4-year school like University of Rhode Island, he/she would get the 3rd and 4th years tuition-free. The idea is to make sure students have some “skin in the game.”

There’s an official page about Rhode Island’s Promise Program with all the details if you are interested. It may be easier to read this news report of some common questions.

This is potentially BIG news for us. While I jokingly like to say that Harvard and Stanford are “safety schools” for our boys, state college may end being a great option for them. It’s perhaps possible to combine it with my wife’s GI bill that gives 4 years of free tuition. Since that can be divided between both boys, it would cover their first two years.

The end result would be completely free bachelor degrees for our two boys. One of our biggest expenses would disappear.

It’s another reminder that college planning is impossible.

Rhode Island Promise Program Isn’t Without Controversy

From my reading Rhode Island’s Promise program is extremely likely to pass as it has strong government support.

I was following some of the Facebook chatter and people had very strong opinions against the plan.

Most viewed it as a hand-out funded by taxpayers. I would ask that everyone read this article on subsidies. I think it would be hard to find someone who hasn’t taken advantage of a hand-outs/subsidies.

Still, those people aren’t wrong, taxpayers would pay for this plan just like they pay for many, many things. Governor Gina Raimondo makes the point that the $30 million estimated cost is a drop in the bucket for the state’s $9 billion budget. If you think about it, it’s Clayton Kershaw’s salary for throwing a baseball each year. It is an estimated $30 for each person in Rhode Island a year.

Other people simply didn’t think it was a fair plan. They were upset that they had to pay their own way. I can understand this, but at the same time, things change. My first mortgage was nearly 6% and people in recent years got them around 3%. I’d caution these envious people to try to look at it as a change for the better.

Still more point out that it isn’t limited to people of low-income. If your family makes $200,000 a year, you can still get the program. I don’t have an answer as to why they wouldn’t limit it to people of economic need. Perhaps because it’s a drop in the budget, it isn’t worth it to have some left behind or create a complex phasing schedule.

Why Rhode Island Promise Program Is Great

Did you read the part above about my boys getting free bachelor degrees? Okay, seriously here are a few good things:

  • A College Degree is Necessary Nowadays
    It used to be that a high-school degree was the norm and a college degree got you into the management positions. Nowadays, college degrees are much more common. It seems that a Master’s or higher is now needed to separate you from the pack of job applicants. We paid for the high school degree in the past for students to be competitive, doesn’t it make sense to pay for college now?
  • Students May Graduate on Time
    Rhode Island has a bit of an education problem on its hands. Only 14% of students graduate from Rhode Island College on time. University of Rhode Island is at 49%. Since this program pushes students to be on-schedule with graduating on time, it is estimated it could help.
  • College Debt Suffocates Graduates
    I previously wrote that college tuition seems to be in a bubble. Since a college degree is necessary, colleges can continue to raise prices and tell the students to just get more loans.

    High student loans limit the ability of graduates to buy houses and cars, go out dinner and buy other things that help our economy.

  • Draws and Keeps People in Rhode Island
    One of the things mentioned is that Rhode Island is heavily courting General Electric to have its headquarters here. It’s probably not going to be a key consideration for such a big company. However, a smaller company might find it easier to move their business to a state where their employees have the potential of some free tuition for their family.
  • Education Benefits Everyone
    I was chatting with a friend about it on Facebook last night and he had a great thought, “I’m a fan of spending on education. A well-educated society benefits everyone.”

    He pointed out that the people with degrees through this program may be less of a burden on welfare and other subsidies. I’m not a scholar on crime rates, but it took me 30 seconds to find this study, about how education reduces crime. Obviously crime costs taxpayer money in police, fire, and hospital resources.

I think it’s easy to see where I fall on the topic. Obviously, I’m quite biased on this particular topic because it greatly impacts me. Where would you stand if such a program were implemented in your state?

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