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This is a continuation of yesterday’s reveal: our tenant texted us that she is breaking the lease.

Almost exactly 7 years ago we purchased our investment property. Our oldest child was almost a year old and our other child would be born 4 months later. It was quite an interesting time in our life.

Now we are looking to sell the condo. Today I thought I’d take you through the numbers.

We ended up paying $95,000 for the condo. My wife had previously bought in the same complex, so we knew that they typically range from $140K-175K. However, this was 2013, and there was still a big housing slump. When the market got hotter, we were able to get $16,000 a year in rent, which is extremely good for a $95,000 property.

During that time, we were paying condo fees. We also got a condo assessment of around $15,000 – ouch. While the condo looked great on the inside, the whole exterior of the property needed replacing. At least it looks great now. We had to do the typical maintenance inside, but it was all minor stuff.

In the end, we put $23,750 (or 25%) as a down payment. We are expecting it to sell for $170,000. It may go for less, but that’s what the comparables are. It seems that the properties move fast, within a couple of days. We started ours a little higher and haven’t gotten any bites in the first few days. I don’t expect the final numbers to change too much, so I feel fine with using these as projected numbers.

I’m terrible at keeping track of all the expenses that we had to put in for maintenance. I could pull taxes for seven years, but I’m much too lazy. For the most part, we’ve been able to cash flow about $200 a month while paying down a 15-year mortgage. We’ll have to use that as rough measure of ongoing costs.

(Side Note: Thanks to 2020 being what it is and COVID, there’s a war brewing between landlords and tenants. The full story on our three rental properties is that this the only good one. The other two my wife and I bought when we were single to live in. My wife’s military transfer and housing collapse made landlording the best viable option for us. Those properties have recently only matched the price we paid after 15 years. So I view the numbers of this probably as representing a successful attempt at dollar-cost averaging.)

I’m hoping we can get about 172K, which would give around 160K after closing costs. If it sells for less and we get $155K that not a big deal. We owe the bank $45,000 for their part in financing the property. That would mean that we paid $23,750 for around $110K-115K of profit. However, as I mentioned above, we did have a big condo assessment. We took a loan on that and it seems that will be the buyer’s responsibility. We may end up needing to make a concession at a lower price because of that.

Hopefully, we’ll be able to roughly say we spent around $25K to make $100K. That’s a good rate of return. Thanks to the Rule of 72 (done twice), we can see that quadrupling is about a 22% annual return (72/3.5 for the first double, and the same for the second double).

The stock market has done well in the last 7 years too. It was certainly more passive (as it always is.) However, it “only” averaged 9.5% over the same time. That’s was enough to double your money, but I’ll take a quadruple to a double any day.

What will we do that with that $100K in profit? If you read yesterday’s article, we plan to buy another condo. This allows us to use a tax vehicle called a 1031 exchange. A 1031 exchange allows you to sell one property and buy another and avoid paying taxes on the profits.

We have a property in mind, but we couldn’t move forward before we listed the current property. We also have to rope in some lawyers, especially a 1031 exchange specialist, and our mortgage company. Each of these steps has about 5 sub-steps of paperwork and red tape that is simply tedious. It would be nice to make an offer, but all those pieces take several days, or even a week to get in place. It’s slower in a COVID world.

If we are able to get the condo we have our eyes on, we’ll pay around $205K for it. We’d put the $100-110K net proceeds towards it and get a 15-year mortgage on it. That would give us a mortgage similar to what we have now, but hopefully able to get $1800 a month in rent. The numbers would be much better at the old place, but this place would be closer and easier to maintain. That’s a lot less stress for us, which is the big driver to sell.

I’m disappointed to have to go back to waiting for 15 years to be mortgage-free when we were 8 years away. We could get a 10-year mortgage or make larger payments to be mortgage-free faster. The 10-year mortgage rates don’t seem enticing. It’s painful for me to pay off a mortgage at 3.5%. That’s the kind of interest rate that I want to keep long term.

At the same time, I’m excited to move to a property that I feel has more room to appreciate and will be easier to manage.

There’s one additional x-factor of all of this to consider. Our kids are able to be a part of the process. At ages 6 and 7, almost all of this is going over their heads. However, this is a review of a Teen Titans Go! episode that they’ve seen many times. So far, they are dreading everything about this process. I don’t blame them – it’s adult stuff and not fun for kids. However, sometimes kids need to suck it up and do things that aren’t fun. I like them getting some exposure to this now. It builds character, right?

Perhaps someday they find this article and realize that real estate investing is exciting after all.

Real estate investing, like many investments, seem to have a lot of twists and turns. For the last year or more, I’ve been appreciating (in both senses of the word) the gains that our real estate “empire” have made. (For new readers, we invested in real estate reluctantly.)

Recently, we got notice that two of the condo properties we own in the same complex need major renovations. The whole complex needs renovations. This means having to pay for special assessments.

While I wrote “Surprise!” in the title, we had an idea that this was coming eventually. The property hasn’t renovated for more than 30 years. In the last few years they’ve raised the condo fees significantly (I think nearly 100%), but it simply was too little, too late.

(I can’t understand why places don’t plan ahead for these renovations. It’s as if they consult NFL owners about how much revenue they set aside for creating a new stadium every 20-25 years. The answer always seems to be, “Not the vast amount of money necessary.”)

The surprise is around $20,000… each. The Zillow estimates for the condos are around $115,000, which I believe to fairly accurate. Essentially, more than 1/6th of property value disappeared overnight thanks to a ~~pen stroke~~ keyboard press.

Fortunately the property isn’t looking for people to cut a check on the spot. They were able to secure financing. Unfortunately, that financing seems like a parade of stinky skunks (a reference from Nickelodeon’s Blaze).

Specifically, the financing is a 20-year loan at 5.20% for 11.5 years. After that “it will adjust for the remainder of the term.” I did a quick search and 30-year fixed rates are around 4.30%… and 15-year fixed is around 3.25%. In fairness, these are the top rates for people with top credit. The bank has to balance their offering for the others.

However, they do have existing owners with a history of paying their condo fees every month. They are spreading this rate amongst many units, so I would think that they could use that to challenge the rates of a potential new home owner without the same “skin in the game.”

The 5.2% rate is bad enough, but the kicker is the adjustment in 11.5 years for the last 8.5 years. How will it adjust? Is it the prime rate plus 1%? Is it prime rate plus 6%? From the letter we got, there’s no answer.

And while I’m throwing the condo association under the bus, I’ll pause for a minute to acknowledge that they had a difficult job to do in explaining to unit owners why this is necessary.

Now I will resume throwing the condo association under the bus. In fact, I might hire a second bus for them. (Note: This is metaphorical. Never throw anything or anyone under a bus. Please consult your lawyer with regard to your actions involving buses. (Note: I feel that disclaimers like this are necessary in this day and age. (Note: (cons (car ‘(I spent too much of my life in emacs)) (cdr ‘(FML am so old)))) Note: The first person who leaves a comment explaining and deciphering the last note will receive $20 via Paypal. Please leave a valid email to claim giveaway.))))

I think there are a significant number of owners who were under the impression that they paid their condo fees to cover all this stuff. It’s a fair assumption for them to make. I view it as an admission that the condo association planned poorly.

Unfortunately for condo owners like me, we have to deal with the potentially exploding interest rate in 11.5 years. What’s that going to be? I’d estimate it around 8%. In 2004, I was very happy to get a 30-year fixed rate under 5% and that was historically great time. The average rate was probably 6% and times might be tougher in 11+ years. It seems to be around 100-200 basis points from what fixed mortgages are. Your estimate of interest rates is as good as mine… or maybe a monkey throwing darts. Overall, my thought is, “We’ve hit rock bottom… only one way to go, ‘Up’.”

I wonder if condo owners understand that. It feels like 2005 all over again. You can sign on for a simple payment, but it seems that it can (and will) explode. I find it unlikely that the rate in 11 years will adjust to something lower.

This brings me to yet another complaint against the association. (Who has another bus?) The Fed has raised interest rates a good amount over the last year. Lending rates have gone up. It wasn’t a surprise. The condo association has foreshadowed this by raising condo fees over the last few years. Could they have done an intelligent thing and locked in a lower rate? This massive, once in 30-year, renovation could have happened in 2015.

In the words of the greatest football coach of all time, “it is what it is.” We can play the the blame game all day, but it isn’t going to change anything.

My opinion on financing this is a topic for another day… maybe next week.

I have to give credit to one owner who is looking to sell. I got a recent Zillow alert for a property in the complex at around $150,000. I haven’t too many priced above $125,000 in the last five years. The unit was nothing special. Most of the pictures were of the utilitarian rug. This person has to disclose the assessment, so it’s like he’s asking for $170,000.

As my mother has said in the past, “Good luck to you and the Red Sox.” Hmmm, maybe that condo owner has a chance?

Reviewing the Profit/Loss of Our Condo Sale (and Subsequent Purchase)

Surprise! Condo Assessments