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How Much is Condo Maintenance?

February 7, 2020 by Lazy Man 3 Comments

Condo MaintenanceIt’s been a few years since I updated my assumptions of our three rental properties – all condos. I’ve been going off the estimates that I created back then. In some ways these estimates are accurate. The insurance and property taxes don’t change much. In other ways, they aren’t accurate – condo fees continual climb up is the biggest example of that.

Three years is too long, so one of my goals was to create a fresh update early in 2020. I especially wanted to get early start on it so that my alternative income reports will as accurate as they can be. (Look for January’s report next week.)

All three condos have 15-year mortgages on them. We are about halfway through paying them off. To figure out how much money we are making or spending, I needed to come up with the cashflow of each property. That’s simply what we are making in rent minus what our expenses are.

The rent side is simple. It’s the check the tenant pays us.

The expense side is more complicated. A good place to start with that is a common real estate investing acronym, PITI. PITI stands for:

  • Principal
  • Interest
  • Taxes
  • Insurance

These are the core costs for owning a property, with the big missing factor being maintenance. I’m not sure why there’s no PITIM acronym, but maybe it’s because maintenance can vary widely depending on the size and state of the property. For now, let’s fill in the PITI.

Principal and Interest were easy to find our mortgage statements.

Taxes were much more difficult since we rolled them into an escrow. I had to go digging through my city’s assessor website. I wasted a lot of time trying to use Zillow or Redfin, but going to the source turned out to be much faster… and much more accurate. Unfortunately the city didn’t include an easy tax number. Instead I had to take the city tax rate and multiply it by the assessed value of the property. That’s not too hard, but it required looking for two numbers in slightly different places.

Finally, there’s insurance. That was easy to find. I simply dug up last month’s bank statements that had the payments we sent to the insurance company.

Adding in Condo Fees

Since these are condos, they all have a condo fee. I prefer to invest in condos because some of the maintenance is covered by the association for me. I don’t have to worry about hiring landscapers or snow plows. There can be amenities like pools and gyms that are attractive to potential renters – and those costs are shared by everyone. Like some of the previous costs, this is an easy one to figure out. The condo association tells you what the fees are going to be. You pay them every month, so you should have an easy record around.

Just because I like to invest in condos, it doesn’t mean it’s right for you. For example, Rocky Balboa is not really a fan:



Special Assessments: The Hidden Beast

Before I get into the main topic that I wanted to discuss today, I wanted to take some time to cover something very specific to owning a condominium.

One thing to beware of with owning a condo is that there are occasional special assessments. These are repairs to major infrastructure. One of my properties had to put new roofs everywhere due to a structural defect. Two of the other properties needed completely new siding. Neither had planned those costs into the fees. It was tens of thousands of dollars. Fortunately, when it’s this much money, the condo associations usually work together with a loan provider to make it easier to pay.

How Much is Condo Maintenance?

No one seems to talk about condo maintenance aside from the standard condo fees. Appliances need replacing. Plumbing goes bad. Since these are rental properties, we have to paint more often than other people might. (When one tenant leaves and the furniture is gone, dirty walls become the focus of all potential new tenants.) Every so often you have to replace the kitchen and bathrooms. There’s also heating and cooling units to replace. We’re slowly switching to durable vinyl flooring because replacing carpet is a pain.

So how much do you budget for all this condo maintenance?

I could take each item, one by one, create a spreadsheet with expected life and amortize it. That would be a very thorough way to get a very accurate number. However, after calculating all the above numbers, I simply wanted a “rule of thumb” that was “close enough.” I didn’t want to spend another couple hours on each property to get a final cashflow number.

I had an idea for a rule of thumb, but I reached out to Twitter to ask for some advice. Here are some of the best responses:

Vacation or long term rentals? If long term, probably 1% of value, half that of a 20+yr old house since your association covers the outside

— Stop(ped) Ironing Shirts (@StIroningShirts) January 16, 2020

Stop Ironing Shirts pointed out that the rule of thumb is to budget 2% of the value for 20-year old houses, so 1% would make sense with the condo fee covering the rest. I hadn’t read it was 2% for 20-year old houses, just that it was typically 1%. I was going to go with 0.5% for half of that 1%, but instead found that Mr. Shirts’ number was better.

Next Aron from Nine to Thrive came up with this:

5% of the rent should be allocated for maintenance. 10% towards capital expenditures.

— Nine To Thrive (@Nine_to_Thrive) January 16, 2020

I love the simplicity here. It’s a very easy calculation. This was very close to my 0.5% of the total value rule above, but well shy of the 1% estimate.

I decided that both approaches have their merits and averaged each of the numbers. Again, the goal is to come up with something quick and hopefully close to accurate over the long haul. After all, maintenance costs are always going to be an inexact science where an estimate is the best we can do. This math satisfies my requirements.

Results of the cashflow of our three condos

I put together a spreadsheet of our condos’ cashflow and this is the result:

There’s some extra data here, simply because I’m a nerd. I have “active rent”, which is the rent that we get. I also record Zillow’s estimated rent. This helps me calculate a potential rent (the simply average) of where some kind of fair value should be. In this case Zillow had a weird data point in estimating the other two condos at nearly $1800. Previous months topped out at $1500 and Zillow’s fixed their estimate to be back towards that number.

The first and third condos were ones that my wife and I owned before we met. They lose money every month. One reason is that they had a big assessment. Another is that we have 15-year mortgages on them, so our payments are high. Ordinarily, it wouldn’t be a good idea to buy a rental property that loses money every month. However, it’s a better situation to make the equity than it would be to sell.

The last four rows are my favorite. These show how much we’d make if the mortgages were paid off. This gives me an estimate to what kind of monthly and annual income we make from each property in 2027. Since these all depend on the rent that we are charging, I put three scenarios together. It’s a fairly wide range, but it looks like these properties will roughly supplement our retirement with somewhere around $28K-$30K a year (picking a low-end between the actual rents and the Zillow estimate.)

The downside to this income is that we have to be landlords. Maybe for $25K a year we can have a rental property manager do all that work for us.

For now, let’s stick with the $28-30K number. If we were to try to make this kind of passive income through the stock market we’d need $1,120,000 invested in a stocks that produce a 2.5% dividend. If we wanted to draw down on a large nest egg using the 4% rule we’d need around $700,000. In this later example, the 4% rule may only last for 30 years.

So while the cashflow of the properties doesn’t look particularly good now, the end result should give us the financial flexibility to cover most of our typical living expenses.

Do you have a good (easy) way to estimate condo maintenance expenses? Let me know if the comments.

Filed Under: Real Estate Tagged With: cashflow, condo maintenance

What You Can Learn From My Retirement Income

November 16, 2015 by Lazy Man Leave a Comment

Here’s How to Get a Big Bag of Retirement Money
Yesterday, I detailed what our $200,000 annual retirement income looks like. If you haven’t read that, please do, otherwise today’s article won’t make much sense.

I realized that making a statement like I did yesterday could be a lightning rod for criticism. I thought it must annoy those struggling to get by in a tough economy. I prepared myself for the worst, but I didn’t get any negative comments. That was refreshing. I hope that people were using it to think and talk about personal finance… specifically about planning ahead.

Planning ahead for retirement is more important now than ever. Study after study, year after year, we are learning that people don’t have enough money saved. Even people making a lot of money don’t have enough to retire.

I hope my retirement income plan serves as an example of what happens when you are mindful about your finances. Many will say that I’m lucky, and I won’t argue. However, I’ve found that good luck has a way of following those who have prepared well.

The first thing you can learn from my post yesterday is to marry well. I had a friend that told me I had to point that out. I don’t know if she was kidding or not, but she was exactly right. If you choose to marry a significant percentage (perhaps more than 50%) of your financial well-being may be dependent on your spouse.

While there were 5 significant retirement income streams detailed in yesterday’s post, my wife’s military pension was the largest. I imagine many readers are probably complaining, “But I don’t have that and I can’t possibly duplicate that.” Rather than look at that glass as half empty, I hope you can look at what you do have and what you can do within your set of circumstances.

There’s a lot more than the military pension in yesterday’s article. If you focused on that, you may have missed out on the following lessons:

Financial Knowledge is Important

Before we met, my wife wasn’t contributing as much as she could in her Thrift Savings Plan (the military version of a 401k plan). Even though she was 27 and decades away from retirement, it was in a stable value fund instead of a growth fund. She had some after-tax money tucked away in some mutual funds, but they were funds with high expenses.

She wasn’t very interested in optimizing her finances. She felt she earned enough… and she does. However, a few financial moves we made really helped makes a very, very big difference.

To illustrate her financial state, I remember her telling me a story fewer than 10 years ago. She had seen a friend’s bank stub and was amazed that it had an unfathomable $15,000 in it. In that time we’ve come a long, long way.

Frugality is Critical

It may not seem obvious, but living a frugal lifestyle has been critical to putting us in the financial position we are in. For example, if we had large car payments and a huge mortgage, we wouldn’t have had the money to buy real estate investment properties. Being frugal allows us to max out our retirement accounts (401Ks, Roth IRAs, etc.) and build a nest egg that we can draw down in retirement.

Without having control of our spending, none of this possible.

You Can’t Forget Compound Interest

We started early to create that nest egg and compound interest has really helped it grow. It looks like the income that we’ll be able to draw from it could be as much as the military pension… over $50,000 a year in today’s dollars. That alone combined with a frugal lifestyle could be enough to fund a decent, maybe not spectacular, retirement.

Taking Advantage of Your Opportunities

When opportunity knocks are you in a position to answer the door? We bought two of our properties after the housing market crashed and interest rates were historically low. This big win might have been worth hundreds of thousands of dollars when compounded over a lifetime.

Diversify Your Income Streams

When you make a retirement plan at age 37, many, many things can go wrong. By diversifying our income with retirement savings, rental income, small business income, and good old Social Security, we’d have a solid foundation even without the military pension. If any one of them goes away for whatever reason, our retirement plan will be able to withstand it.

Planning Ahead and Mindfulness

Much of this boils down to just being mindful of your money and your goals. It’s putting down a plan and following it. It’s re-evaluating that plan on a consistent basis to make sure that you still heading in the right direction.

Filed Under: Retirement Tagged With: cashflow, income

Alternative Income Streams – May 2009

May 8, 2009 by Lazy Man 5 Comments

I’m a little late with my alternative income for last month. I tell myself it’s because I’ve been busy, but more likely it’s that the numbers are down. After taxes, I cleared $1,411.34. That’s still a good number and pays for a large amount of my necessary expenses (i.e. rent, food, insurance, utilities, etc.), so I’m taking a Stuart Smalley approach. Even though it’s down around $500 from previous months.

It’s not surprising to me that the number is down. I could throw out the easy excuse that it’s the economy… I even believe that to some degree. I’ve been focusing my efforts on my a full-time job (a contract job that pays over six figures) and training a new puppy. I usually hate trading time for money… it doesn’t scale in the way I want it to if I’m going to achieve financial in a few years. However, if I can leverage the money from my full-time job to other profitable enterprises, it’s a move I have to make… especially in this economy where cash is king.

This month isn’t shaping up to be much better, but I’ve made a few connections at Finovate that may pay off down the line.

Filed Under: Alternative Income Tagged With: cashflow, necessary expenses, passive income

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