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		<title>By: Foobarista</title>
		<link>http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/your-wheel-of-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-11143</link>
		<dc:creator>Foobarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to be obnoxious, but the idea that one&#039;s personal frugality has any effect whatsoever on people in Africa is silly.  If you want to help people in Africa, the best way is to lobby Congress to get rid of agricultural subsidies and other restraints on trade with Africa.  And then buy their products.

Oh, and don&#039;t bother with rockstar &quot;feed the poor&quot; promotions.  Most of the money they raise ends up in the pockets of dictators and brigands.  Trade is the best anti-poverty tool in the human toolbox, as China and India have shown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be obnoxious, but the idea that one&#8217;s personal frugality has any effect whatsoever on people in Africa is silly.  If you want to help people in Africa, the best way is to lobby Congress to get rid of agricultural subsidies and other restraints on trade with Africa.  And then buy their products.</p>
<p>Oh, and don&#8217;t bother with rockstar &#8220;feed the poor&#8221; promotions.  Most of the money they raise ends up in the pockets of dictators and brigands.  Trade is the best anti-poverty tool in the human toolbox, as China and India have shown.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneymonk</title>
		<link>http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/your-wheel-of-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-11142</link>
		<dc:creator>Moneymonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most Africans live on a dollar a day and yet we Americans get upset when the power goes off during a storm.&quot;

We are spoiled. Once you pay attention to world news, you miss out on how fortunate you really are. Net worth does not seem to important anymore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most Africans live on a dollar a day and yet we Americans get upset when the power goes off during a storm.&#8221;</p>
<p>We are spoiled. Once you pay attention to world news, you miss out on how fortunate you really are. Net worth does not seem to important anymore</p>
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		<title>By: Lazy Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazy Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comment Dave... on the last point, I think it&#039;s about expectations of the two types of civilizations.  For Americans nearly everything we do is based on their being electricity - in a way it&#039;s the lifeblood.  To many Africans living on a dollar a day, the equivalent would be the river stopping flowing or the sun not rising.  The bumble bee gets by on zero dollars a day, but that doesn&#039;t mean I want to be one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comment Dave&#8230; on the last point, I think it&#8217;s about expectations of the two types of civilizations.  For Americans nearly everything we do is based on their being electricity &#8211; in a way it&#8217;s the lifeblood.  To many Africans living on a dollar a day, the equivalent would be the river stopping flowing or the sun not rising.  The bumble bee gets by on zero dollars a day, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I want to be one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I realized is that it is easier to save $250 a month (frugality),than it is to  earn $250 a month (investing). It tales about 80,000 dollars at 4% to earn what you could have made by simply watching your expenses. 

The job/career element means very little in a global economy. There are 4 times the number of Chinese college graduates as USA college graduates. That is why your need practical entrepreneurship - or what others are dubbing - alternative income streams.

And a final point needs to be made. Frugality is also a response to our brothers/sisters in the human race. Most Africans live on a dollar a day and yet we Americans get upset when the power goes off during a storm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I realized is that it is easier to save $250 a month (frugality),than it is to  earn $250 a month (investing). It tales about 80,000 dollars at 4% to earn what you could have made by simply watching your expenses. </p>
<p>The job/career element means very little in a global economy. There are 4 times the number of Chinese college graduates as USA college graduates. That is why your need practical entrepreneurship &#8211; or what others are dubbing &#8211; alternative income streams.</p>
<p>And a final point needs to be made. Frugality is also a response to our brothers/sisters in the human race. Most Africans live on a dollar a day and yet we Americans get upset when the power goes off during a storm.</p>
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		<title>By: The Digerati Life</title>
		<link>http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/your-wheel-of-wealth/comment-page-1/#comment-11133</link>
		<dc:creator>The Digerati Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for highlighting the &quot;Wheel Of Wealth (tm)&quot; ;)  I have noticed that the older I got and the higher our net worth became, the wheel just naturally became more and more diversified.  We started with the wheel overweighted towards Debt Management, Frugality, Savings and Jobs.  Especially Jobs (or job income). As life chugged along, Investments grew to a larger share and Windfalls contributed to the bottom line.  It was only recently that Real Estate and Business, have become a part of this wheel.  

If you think about it, each household could approach their wheel differently. Some people start off with purely Business as the basis of their net worth.  Some do so with purely Real Estate (as several of my friends have).  These people are very financially stable which shows that even with a concentrated wheel -- and in fact, perhaps *because* of one -- they have become wildly wealthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for highlighting the &#8220;Wheel Of Wealth &#8482;&#8221; ;)  I have noticed that the older I got and the higher our net worth became, the wheel just naturally became more and more diversified.  We started with the wheel overweighted towards Debt Management, Frugality, Savings and Jobs.  Especially Jobs (or job income). As life chugged along, Investments grew to a larger share and Windfalls contributed to the bottom line.  It was only recently that Real Estate and Business, have become a part of this wheel.  </p>
<p>If you think about it, each household could approach their wheel differently. Some people start off with purely Business as the basis of their net worth.  Some do so with purely Real Estate (as several of my friends have).  These people are very financially stable which shows that even with a concentrated wheel &#8212; and in fact, perhaps *because* of one &#8212; they have become wildly wealthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most ( not all) people who are really concerned with being &quot;frugal&quot; seem to have no interest in building wealth. I believe in living below your means- that&#039;s something everyone should do (obviously, I think) to save and accumulate. But being obsessed with frugality isn&#039;t necessary. Frugality is required for those with low income, but is relative. Most would consider someone who only earns $16,000 and spends $15,000 as frugal. What about someone who makes $100,000 but lives on $80,000? Is that person more frugal? They live on a lower percentage of their income, but they are still probably buying &quot;extras&quot; and enjoying life.

I find, especially from reading PF blogs, that a lot of &quot;frugal&quot; people use it as a crutch and excuse to underachieve and ultimately not care about being responsible for their lives ( while often having irrational dislike of those who ARE responsible). I speak out of experience as a &quot;frugal&quot; poor person. I find a lot of people waste energy trying to save 1 dollar, when the energy could probably be spent EARNING thousands more. Increasing income through one of the means ( job, business, investments,etc) is a much more productive use of life/time.

Sometimes being frugal is expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most ( not all) people who are really concerned with being &#8220;frugal&#8221; seem to have no interest in building wealth. I believe in living below your means- that&#8217;s something everyone should do (obviously, I think) to save and accumulate. But being obsessed with frugality isn&#8217;t necessary. Frugality is required for those with low income, but is relative. Most would consider someone who only earns $16,000 and spends $15,000 as frugal. What about someone who makes $100,000 but lives on $80,000? Is that person more frugal? They live on a lower percentage of their income, but they are still probably buying &#8220;extras&#8221; and enjoying life.</p>
<p>I find, especially from reading PF blogs, that a lot of &#8220;frugal&#8221; people use it as a crutch and excuse to underachieve and ultimately not care about being responsible for their lives ( while often having irrational dislike of those who ARE responsible). I speak out of experience as a &#8220;frugal&#8221; poor person. I find a lot of people waste energy trying to save 1 dollar, when the energy could probably be spent EARNING thousands more. Increasing income through one of the means ( job, business, investments,etc) is a much more productive use of life/time.</p>
<p>Sometimes being frugal is expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Foobarista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foobarista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For us, the following:

1.  Work.  I&#039;ve worked in Silicon Valley for over 20 years and am now in my primary &quot;earning phase&quot; of life.

2.  Entrepreneurial income; my wife is self-employed.  But I work too hard in my primary job to bother with web income or whatever, especially since it would be taxed at 45%.

3.  Compound interest; we invest in several private &quot;hard money&quot; funds that pay 10-13%.  Given the tax issues, we&#039;d rather use our money to make money than spend more of our time to make money.

4.  Windfalls; I work in startups, and always exercise my stock, no matter how bad things look for the startup.  This strategy has worked twice in the past and my current startup is going well.  Also, if you have the opportunity to do so, early exercise of stock options means the money from the &quot;liquidity event&quot; is taxed as a capital gain as opposed to income.

5.  We have no debt outside our mortgage, and while we&#039;re fairly frugal and do all the usual stuff to save money, we aren&#039;t annoying or self-righteous about it.  One often overlooked aspect of frugality is it&#039;s effectively untaxed savings - every penny saved is literally a penny earned, so as you make more money and get taxed at higher rates, the &quot;relative rate of return&quot; from frugality is actually higher.

We also have a house but that&#039;s it as far as direct exposure to real estate goes.  The hard money funds have enough real estate exposure for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For us, the following:</p>
<p>1.  Work.  I&#8217;ve worked in Silicon Valley for over 20 years and am now in my primary &#8220;earning phase&#8221; of life.</p>
<p>2.  Entrepreneurial income; my wife is self-employed.  But I work too hard in my primary job to bother with web income or whatever, especially since it would be taxed at 45%.</p>
<p>3.  Compound interest; we invest in several private &#8220;hard money&#8221; funds that pay 10-13%.  Given the tax issues, we&#8217;d rather use our money to make money than spend more of our time to make money.</p>
<p>4.  Windfalls; I work in startups, and always exercise my stock, no matter how bad things look for the startup.  This strategy has worked twice in the past and my current startup is going well.  Also, if you have the opportunity to do so, early exercise of stock options means the money from the &#8220;liquidity event&#8221; is taxed as a capital gain as opposed to income.</p>
<p>5.  We have no debt outside our mortgage, and while we&#8217;re fairly frugal and do all the usual stuff to save money, we aren&#8217;t annoying or self-righteous about it.  One often overlooked aspect of frugality is it&#8217;s effectively untaxed savings &#8211; every penny saved is literally a penny earned, so as you make more money and get taxed at higher rates, the &#8220;relative rate of return&#8221; from frugality is actually higher.</p>
<p>We also have a house but that&#8217;s it as far as direct exposure to real estate goes.  The hard money funds have enough real estate exposure for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneymonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moneymonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that The Digerati Life wheel is well balanced.  I rely on  Entrepreneurial Opportunities as well as my job for wealth building. If I can mix that with avoiding debt, my road to success with be much smoother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that The Digerati Life wheel is well balanced.  I rely on  Entrepreneurial Opportunities as well as my job for wealth building. If I can mix that with avoiding debt, my road to success with be much smoother.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While I find certain acts of frugality fun, most people want no part of it.&quot; 

Sustainable living has to be a part of any wealth building. For me, using up resources w/o regard to the consequences is immoral and impractical. 

However, there are those people who were born rich and for them I&#039;m speaking a foreign language!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While I find certain acts of frugality fun, most people want no part of it.&#8221; </p>
<p>Sustainable living has to be a part of any wealth building. For me, using up resources w/o regard to the consequences is immoral and impractical. </p>
<p>However, there are those people who were born rich and for them I&#8217;m speaking a foreign language!</p>
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