Comments on: Working Two Jobs at the Same Time http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/ Saving, Earning, and Investing Money Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:22:17 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Cara http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-139215 Cara Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:24:30 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-139215 What am I worth? I feel like I am in a unique situation. I was hired to do one job, and have been asked to take on an additional "full-time job" in my company. Yes, I am highly productive and can manage working both (although deadlines for the second one are compromised - with their approval & full knowledge.) The HR director did NOT want to pay me extra to do both jobs. My first supervisor (also the CEO) wants to pay me extra. I figure, the company is saving a whole salary & benefits, and I should receive some of that! I agreed to take it on on a trial basis and be able to talk salary at the end of the trial, (in one month from now.) I'm just not sure how to accurately piece together how much I'm worth. We're a religious non-profit working on pew dollars - I can't justify asking for the entire second salary - plus, I'd never get it...but I am worth more to them than my initial salary. Any thoughts? What am I worth?

I feel like I am in a unique situation. I was hired to do one job, and have been asked to take on an additional “full-time job” in my company. Yes, I am highly productive and can manage working both (although deadlines for the second one are compromised – with their approval & full knowledge.) The HR director did NOT want to pay me extra to do both jobs. My first supervisor (also the CEO) wants to pay me extra. I figure, the company is saving a whole salary & benefits, and I should receive some of that! I agreed to take it on on a trial basis and be able to talk salary at the end of the trial, (in one month from now.) I’m just not sure how to accurately piece together how much I’m worth. We’re a religious non-profit working on pew dollars – I can’t justify asking for the entire second salary – plus, I’d never get it…but I am worth more to them than my initial salary. Any thoughts?

]]> By: Schwamie http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-135149 Schwamie Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:02:49 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-135149 As a member of the Colorado Army National Guard, I serve in a "volunteer" capacity (that I get paid for) to perform Military Funeral Honors. Fortunately, I work less than 5 minutes from Ft. Logan Veterans Cemetary. As a Captain, I frequently get called to perform honors at odd times during the day. Usually, I am given at least a 24 hour notice. This allows me to coordinate with my boss (a retired Marine First Sergeant) who lets me take "lunch" as needed during the time that the funeral takes place. I am technically off the clock as that is my lunch time. So should this be seen as an issue? I don't think so as I'm not being paid by my full time job which is buying parts and systems to construct the Orion Shuttle! (Had to throw that in as my geeky side finds that cool!) As a member of the Colorado Army National Guard, I serve in a “volunteer” capacity (that I get paid for) to perform Military Funeral Honors. Fortunately, I work less than 5 minutes from Ft. Logan Veterans Cemetary. As a Captain, I frequently get called to perform honors at odd times during the day. Usually, I am given at least a 24 hour notice. This allows me to coordinate with my boss (a retired Marine First Sergeant) who lets me take “lunch” as needed during the time that the funeral takes place. I am technically off the clock as that is my lunch time. So should this be seen as an issue? I don’t think so as I’m not being paid by my full time job which is buying parts and systems to construct the Orion Shuttle! (Had to throw that in as my geeky side finds that cool!)

]]> By: 2joblarry http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-127363 2joblarry Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:20:29 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-127363 I work two fulltime jobs as a medical technologist. I work midnight shift at a large hospital lab and I get home about 9am. I get up at about 1:30pm and go to my other job at 2:30pm. I do this eighty hours a week. I started doing this after my divorce judge ordered me to pay too much child support. This in returned took me out of my childrens life every day. How do judges think by making dads pay outrageous amounts of child support is going to help the children. Too many children out there without dads in their lives. Take a look at prisons. Most of the men and women in there will say they grew up with out a dad. Just wanted to say working two jobs is possible. I will impact your life and health, but it can be done Thanks lr I work two fulltime jobs as a medical technologist. I work midnight shift at a large hospital lab and I get home about 9am. I get up at about 1:30pm and go to my other job at 2:30pm. I do this eighty hours a week. I started doing this after my divorce judge ordered me to pay too much child support. This in returned took me out of my childrens life every day. How do judges think by making dads pay outrageous amounts of child support is going to help the children. Too many children out there without dads in their lives. Take a look at prisons. Most of the men and women in there will say they grew up with out a dad.
Just wanted to say working two jobs is possible. I will impact your life and health, but it can be done
Thanks
lr

]]> By: pfoo http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-122263 pfoo Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:29:25 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-122263 it may be unethical - but is it worth it? If your current employer is stupid enough to let you work other jobs, and don't manage your productivity - isnt that your benefit? people dont mind when a company takes advantage of their employees (wich is very common) - but as soon as employees turn the tables - it's unethical? I dotn think so it may be unethical – but is it worth it? If your current employer is stupid enough to let you work other jobs, and don’t manage your productivity – isnt that your benefit?

people dont mind when a company takes advantage of their employees (wich is very common) – but as soon as employees turn the tables – it’s unethical? I dotn think so

]]> By: t-luck http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-107484 t-luck Wed, 08 Oct 2008 02:18:51 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-107484 mmm... didn't expect to see these kind of feedback on this topic. All this while, in my opinion, as long as you don't do anything that has conflict of interest with your primary job, then, it should be all right. Good article, Lazy Man! http://moneychurner.blogspot.com mmm… didn’t expect to see these kind of feedback on this topic. All this while, in my opinion, as long as you don’t do anything that has conflict of interest with your primary job, then, it should be all right.

Good article, Lazy Man!

http://moneychurner.blogspot.com

]]> By: Llama Money http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-107214 Llama Money Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:35:04 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-107214 I work on my side business during downtime at my day job. I don't feel bad for doing so.... I work hard at my dayjob and make sure it is my main focus. It does represent the bulk of my income at the time. If that situation changes, perhaps my focus might shift.. hard to say. For now, if I'm slammed with work, then my side business waits. If I'm not overwhelmed, then I find some time. If i don't look out for myself and diversify, I might end up in some serious financial trouble. Then again.... I'm on a salary / bonus pay plan. If I was hourly, I would probably feel differently. I haven't worked a 40 hour week in so many years I can't remember. I work on my side business during downtime at my day job. I don’t feel bad for doing so…. I work hard at my dayjob and make sure it is my main focus. It does represent the bulk of my income at the time. If that situation changes, perhaps my focus might shift.. hard to say.

For now, if I’m slammed with work, then my side business waits. If I’m not overwhelmed, then I find some time. If i don’t look out for myself and diversify, I might end up in some serious financial trouble.

Then again…. I’m on a salary / bonus pay plan. If I was hourly, I would probably feel differently. I haven’t worked a 40 hour week in so many years I can’t remember.

]]> By: Lazy Man http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-107055 Lazy Man Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:31:27 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-107055 It's the same here (time card theft as grounds for dismissal). Unfortunately, there are almost no jobs that pay by any other model. You can contract, but you have to then find your own health insurance and then work for finding your next job. It’s the same here (time card theft as grounds for dismissal). Unfortunately, there are almost no jobs that pay by any other model. You can contract, but you have to then find your own health insurance and then work for finding your next job.

]]> By: Gary http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-106996 Gary Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:04:11 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-106996 Its called time card theft here in Canada and it is very much grounds for dismissal. If you work at a job that pays by the hour then you're expected to work exclusively for them during that time. I would suggest people find jobs that don't pay by that model if you're not happy with it. When I worked contract I often times billed clients simultaneously, but never when I worked as a salary employee. Its called time card theft here in Canada and it is very much grounds for dismissal. If you work at a job that pays by the hour then you’re expected to work exclusively for them during that time.

I would suggest people find jobs that don’t pay by that model if you’re not happy with it. When I worked contract I often times billed clients simultaneously, but never when I worked as a salary employee.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-106813 Patrick Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:41:24 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-106813 I read the same article and had mixed feelings about it as well. In most jobs there is always something else that can be done during down time, in which case, using time that could be used to benefit the company could be unethical. In other jobs (such as firefighting or any other job that requires you to be on call or present for emergencies) it isn't as big an issue (after you have completed your required work). Should it be allowed? If your current employer would have a problem with it, then you shouldn't do it. If your employer is cool with it (as the example of the graphics designer), then it's cool. I read the same article and had mixed feelings about it as well. In most jobs there is always something else that can be done during down time, in which case, using time that could be used to benefit the company could be unethical.

In other jobs (such as firefighting or any other job that requires you to be on call or present for emergencies) it isn’t as big an issue (after you have completed your required work).

Should it be allowed? If your current employer would have a problem with it, then you shouldn’t do it. If your employer is cool with it (as the example of the graphics designer), then it’s cool.

]]> By: Jake http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-106662 Jake Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:44:31 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-106662 I read, write, and comment on Blogs during work when it's not busy. I don't see the problem, you just need to decide if the risk is worth the reward. We're all trying to get ahead in life - I don't see anything wrong with it unless you're lying to your main employer or pushing completion times back. I read, write, and comment on Blogs during work when it’s not busy. I don’t see the problem, you just need to decide if the risk is worth the reward. We’re all trying to get ahead in life – I don’t see anything wrong with it unless you’re lying to your main employer or pushing completion times back.

]]> By: Matt http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-106599 Matt Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:04:23 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-106599 I agree with Writer's Coin above. I also know that I could not manage to work multiple jobs even when my work is slow I would still feel guilty for not giving my primary employer first priority for focus. I agree with Writer’s Coin above. I also know that I could not manage to work multiple jobs even when my work is slow I would still feel guilty for not giving my primary employer first priority for focus.

]]> By: Writer's Coin http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-106523 Writer's Coin Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:52:17 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-106523 Getting paid by a company for your time and then using that time for a side business is unethical, no matter how you slice it. If a manager brings you into an office and says, "Sorry Chuck, we gotta let you go. It's come to our attention that you've been working a few hours a day on your side business while at work." What could you say to defend yourself? "But I still get my work done"?? Not likely, you would have to just say, "You got me" and move on. Getting paid by a company for your time and then using that time for a side business is unethical, no matter how you slice it. If a manager brings you into an office and says, “Sorry Chuck, we gotta let you go. It’s come to our attention that you’ve been working a few hours a day on your side business while at work.”

What could you say to defend yourself? “But I still get my work done”??

Not likely, you would have to just say, “You got me” and move on.

]]> By: Mike http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-106374 Mike Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:20:48 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-106374 This dilemma troubles me as well. I've come to call it the Productivity Paradox, which I blogged about a while back. (http://www.richerbytheday.com/2008/04/the-productivity-paradox.html) The paradox can be stated as follows: Being more productive, which should earn you more free time, actually gets you more work and less free time. It's a difficult balance between meeting employer expectations and maximizing productivity. As you said, your friends are exceeding expectations yet doing so in less than expected time. To me, working a second income stream from the office is unethical, but leaving early (once work is completed to your employers satisfaction) to pursue other interests is ok. This dilemma troubles me as well. I’ve come to call it the Productivity Paradox, which I blogged about a while back. (http://www.richerbytheday.com/2008/04/the-productivity-paradox.html)

The paradox can be stated as follows: Being more productive, which should earn you more free time, actually gets you more work and less free time.

It’s a difficult balance between meeting employer expectations and maximizing productivity. As you said, your friends are exceeding expectations yet doing so in less than expected time. To me, working a second income stream from the office is unethical, but leaving early (once work is completed to your employers satisfaction) to pursue other interests is ok.

]]> By: Lazy Man http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-106362 Lazy Man Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:16:21 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-106362 Actually sanity is not an adjective that I'd apply to either person. I think they'd be the first to say that's a stretch. Actually sanity is not an adjective that I’d apply to either person. I think they’d be the first to say that’s a stretch.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/working-two-jobs-at-the-same-time/comment-page-1/#comment-106359 Jeremy Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:28:51 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/?p=1098#comment-106359 Weird, people can work three jobs and remain sane? Weird, people can work three jobs and remain sane?

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