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		<title>By: Maxim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all those who say that college is not an entitlement, let&#039;s go with your argument, and very quickly abolish social security payments to those who did not empower their children to make a decent living.  Maybe they can get financial aid for their retirement, I mean a loan of course?  Yes, this sounds fair...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all those who say that college is not an entitlement, let&#8217;s go with your argument, and very quickly abolish social security payments to those who did not empower their children to make a decent living.  Maybe they can get financial aid for their retirement, I mean a loan of course?  Yes, this sounds fair&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Abby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing this story!
 I am currently going through a similar situation with my parents (I am 27) they have just gone through a very very messy divorce. My now estranged mother has taken half of the house profits, half of my dad&#039;s pension and is now trying to sue him for a second time. This is on top of the £60K that my dad gave her before the divorce as a goodwill gesture. Big mistake! My dad would have been ok had he not blown the £100k from the his retirement on bad business decisions (pyramid scheme) and holidays for him and his 15 years younger now- ex girlfriend. I am constantly being asked for money by him and being guilt tripped as he was generous to me when my parents had money. Only I don&#039;t have a well paid job and i am trying to save for a house and for my future! It is causing major problems with me and my boyfriend which is understandable, and my older brother and sister do not live close so they don&#039;t want to know.
It is very hard not to be bitter, especially as other parents seem to be helping in their children&#039;s future and i just feel like mine are doing everything possible to hinder mine!
Thanks for sharing your story, i totally sympathise and it&#039;s comforting to know that i am not the only one who is is in this situation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing this story!<br />
 I am currently going through a similar situation with my parents (I am 27) they have just gone through a very very messy divorce. My now estranged mother has taken half of the house profits, half of my dad&#8217;s pension and is now trying to sue him for a second time. This is on top of the £60K that my dad gave her before the divorce as a goodwill gesture. Big mistake! My dad would have been ok had he not blown the £100k from the his retirement on bad business decisions (pyramid scheme) and holidays for him and his 15 years younger now- ex girlfriend. I am constantly being asked for money by him and being guilt tripped as he was generous to me when my parents had money. Only I don&#8217;t have a well paid job and i am trying to save for a house and for my future! It is causing major problems with me and my boyfriend which is understandable, and my older brother and sister do not live close so they don&#8217;t want to know.<br />
It is very hard not to be bitter, especially as other parents seem to be helping in their children&#8217;s future and i just feel like mine are doing everything possible to hinder mine!<br />
Thanks for sharing your story, i totally sympathise and it&#8217;s comforting to know that i am not the only one who is is in this situation!</p>
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		<title>By: lolaq</title>
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		<dc:creator>lolaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 06:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I caught this story quite late, but it really hit a tone with me. 

My story is quite the same, although has a few parts different. 

Parents should never, ever, take money from their child&#039;s college fund if it is put there by someone else, then for the mother to refuse to pay the bills, that is pretty ridiculous. 

Also, cme I believe said that the mother was hard working.. Perhaps she was, but she also spent lavishly it seems, and was not very interested in bettering her children. 

Stories like this upset me, and honestly if you have not been through something like this, I understand if you are unable to comprehend the repercussions of a parents financial actions, or lack thereof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I caught this story quite late, but it really hit a tone with me. </p>
<p>My story is quite the same, although has a few parts different. </p>
<p>Parents should never, ever, take money from their child&#8217;s college fund if it is put there by someone else, then for the mother to refuse to pay the bills, that is pretty ridiculous. </p>
<p>Also, cme I believe said that the mother was hard working.. Perhaps she was, but she also spent lavishly it seems, and was not very interested in bettering her children. </p>
<p>Stories like this upset me, and honestly if you have not been through something like this, I understand if you are unable to comprehend the repercussions of a parents financial actions, or lack thereof.</p>
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		<title>By: LowBlowOak</title>
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		<dc:creator>LowBlowOak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is truly sad.My story has a similar ring to it but it&#039;s worse.I just awaken to the fact that I&#039;m 50+, alone, no retirement plan in place, owe the IRS back taxes, currently carrying credit card debt to the tune of $25,000, limited savings and about to lose my job, car needs work, and can barely pay my bills.Couple that with health issues and throw in a little depression and you&#039;re got a tragic situation. If you&#039;ve got any answers I&#039;m all ears. Note: I know that there will be those that judge me harshly.Please be gentle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is truly sad.My story has a similar ring to it but it&#8217;s worse.I just awaken to the fact that I&#8217;m 50+, alone, no retirement plan in place, owe the IRS back taxes, currently carrying credit card debt to the tune of $25,000, limited savings and about to lose my job, car needs work, and can barely pay my bills.Couple that with health issues and throw in a little depression and you&#8217;re got a tragic situation. If you&#8217;ve got any answers I&#8217;m all ears. Note: I know that there will be those that judge me harshly.Please be gentle</p>
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		<title>By: OxMon</title>
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		<dc:creator>OxMon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing. It&#039;s a sad story, but I&#039;m glad that you have learned the important lessons and are married to an understanding and financially responsible husband now.

There&#039;s one thing that you neglected: big portion of the gift money you received (for your baptism, first communion) are from your mother&#039;s friends at church. It&#039;s exactly because of how your mother befriended with them that you had such opportunities. Your mother must have given their children similar amount of gifts (or even more) for their baptisms, first communions, etc. So don&#039;t think you earned these gifts and nothing to do with your mother.

Besides that, your mother&#039;s social activity must have also brought you many other non-financial benefits. So she didn&#039;t just throw the money down the drain or just for her own enjoyment, you are one of the beneficiary.
BTW, didn&#039;t your mother&#039;s 50 friends give you gifts and their blessings for your wedding? Your mother spent her 401k, and you got to keep the gifts. So don&#039;t complain about that.

I agree that your parents are responsible for their financial difficulties now. But as a child, please count all the love and care they show you throughout your life, and try your best to look after them at their old age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing. It&#8217;s a sad story, but I&#8217;m glad that you have learned the important lessons and are married to an understanding and financially responsible husband now.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s one thing that you neglected: big portion of the gift money you received (for your baptism, first communion) are from your mother&#8217;s friends at church. It&#8217;s exactly because of how your mother befriended with them that you had such opportunities. Your mother must have given their children similar amount of gifts (or even more) for their baptisms, first communions, etc. So don&#8217;t think you earned these gifts and nothing to do with your mother.</p>
<p>Besides that, your mother&#8217;s social activity must have also brought you many other non-financial benefits. So she didn&#8217;t just throw the money down the drain or just for her own enjoyment, you are one of the beneficiary.<br />
BTW, didn&#8217;t your mother&#8217;s 50 friends give you gifts and their blessings for your wedding? Your mother spent her 401k, and you got to keep the gifts. So don&#8217;t complain about that.</p>
<p>I agree that your parents are responsible for their financial difficulties now. But as a child, please count all the love and care they show you throughout your life, and try your best to look after them at their old age.</p>
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		<title>By: Esther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of my mother.   It makes me sad and angry because it is very selfish.

My mother is a spender, she has never saved.  And has excuse after excuse and blames it on whatever happens to be convenient.  

When her husband retired over 25 years ago, he had to take a partial lump sum to pay off her credit card, something like $40,000.   He could never get her to quit spending.
When he died, she was set up for a modest living.   She sold the home and I do not know where $100,000 went. 
She remarried and after her husband died, she has an annuity, a paid for home, and car and no debt.   She lives a lavish and more lavish lifestyle.   Parties, dinners, lunches… never ending spending.  She will be broke before she dies.   It is amazing what people think they need.  Closets of cloths and shoes… some never worn.  New this, new that.   It never satisfies.  
It is difficult to watch all the waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of my mother.   It makes me sad and angry because it is very selfish.</p>
<p>My mother is a spender, she has never saved.  And has excuse after excuse and blames it on whatever happens to be convenient.  </p>
<p>When her husband retired over 25 years ago, he had to take a partial lump sum to pay off her credit card, something like $40,000.   He could never get her to quit spending.<br />
When he died, she was set up for a modest living.   She sold the home and I do not know where $100,000 went.<br />
She remarried and after her husband died, she has an annuity, a paid for home, and car and no debt.   She lives a lavish and more lavish lifestyle.   Parties, dinners, lunches… never ending spending.  She will be broke before she dies.   It is amazing what people think they need.  Closets of cloths and shoes… some never worn.  New this, new that.   It never satisfies.<br />
It is difficult to watch all the waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband&#039;s father left and my MIL was able to keep the house (with some help from her relatives.)  However, in recent retirement years she has made bad decisions and still owes about $60,000 on her house and she is 80 years old.  Now his brothers (and none of the sisters) are &quot;coming to the rescue&quot; with $$ to pay for lawn service.  $$ for food/medication - that is one thing - but $$ for a &quot;luxury&quot; that your kids pay for?  Nope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband&#8217;s father left and my MIL was able to keep the house (with some help from her relatives.)  However, in recent retirement years she has made bad decisions and still owes about $60,000 on her house and she is 80 years old.  Now his brothers (and none of the sisters) are &#8220;coming to the rescue&#8221; with $$ to pay for lawn service.  $$ for food/medication &#8211; that is one thing &#8211; but $$ for a &#8220;luxury&#8221; that your kids pay for?  Nope.</p>
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		<title>By: Schwamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schwamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone has their own story.  I grew up in a poor to average neighborhood in Brooklyn as a kid.  My mom was a stay at home and my dad worked.  Through the years, he received promotions and more money.  In this instance, he was the spender and my mom was the saver.  Upon the start of High School, my dad received a job offer in Japan where he earned apx $250k a year.  We went on lavish vacations, went to private school, belonged to the American club and other fancy living (to include a house with a back yard in Central Tokyo).  Four years later his job ended.  He never did get another job that remotely came close to that one.  He also didn&#039;t save a dime for my college.  We moved to Scottsdale, AZ for my senior year.  We continued to live like we did in Japan.  A year later, just prior to my enrolling at Arizona State, I was told there was no money to live let alone college.  We sold practically everything we owned.  Two years later I joined the military.  Three years later my parents separated and never remarried or divorced.  Five years later I received a full ride scholarship for my final two years of college.  Seven years later my dad passed away.  My mother now lives off of his social security at a condo that she pays a monthly mortgage on.  I worked through all of that and learned how to handle money.  This is not without my own issues (two failed marriages and a huge expense/loss from both).  I am now in my 40&#039;s and take care of my mom as she had a stroke as well as numerous other ailments.  While life isn&#039;t always the greatest, you learn to come back from that.  As for my personal life, I think I&#039;m doing ok.  My salary is well above the average american (not to mention I still have a job).  I work at a great company.  I have remarried (my third and last!) I also used the military to pay for most of my MBA (that is completed).  I have two wonderful children.  I know that when I turn 60, regardless of the economy, I will be able to retire with no worries.  I will tell anyone that regardless of your past, it is up to YOU to determine your future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone has their own story.  I grew up in a poor to average neighborhood in Brooklyn as a kid.  My mom was a stay at home and my dad worked.  Through the years, he received promotions and more money.  In this instance, he was the spender and my mom was the saver.  Upon the start of High School, my dad received a job offer in Japan where he earned apx $250k a year.  We went on lavish vacations, went to private school, belonged to the American club and other fancy living (to include a house with a back yard in Central Tokyo).  Four years later his job ended.  He never did get another job that remotely came close to that one.  He also didn&#8217;t save a dime for my college.  We moved to Scottsdale, AZ for my senior year.  We continued to live like we did in Japan.  A year later, just prior to my enrolling at Arizona State, I was told there was no money to live let alone college.  We sold practically everything we owned.  Two years later I joined the military.  Three years later my parents separated and never remarried or divorced.  Five years later I received a full ride scholarship for my final two years of college.  Seven years later my dad passed away.  My mother now lives off of his social security at a condo that she pays a monthly mortgage on.  I worked through all of that and learned how to handle money.  This is not without my own issues (two failed marriages and a huge expense/loss from both).  I am now in my 40&#8217;s and take care of my mom as she had a stroke as well as numerous other ailments.  While life isn&#8217;t always the greatest, you learn to come back from that.  As for my personal life, I think I&#8217;m doing ok.  My salary is well above the average american (not to mention I still have a job).  I work at a great company.  I have remarried (my third and last!) I also used the military to pay for most of my MBA (that is completed).  I have two wonderful children.  I know that when I turn 60, regardless of the economy, I will be able to retire with no worries.  I will tell anyone that regardless of your past, it is up to YOU to determine your future.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie PTY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie PTY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because what I&#039;m going to say is tangential the original article, I want to comment on Lazy Man&#039;s wife&#039;s story first: it&#039;s sad, and I&#039;m glad she posted it. It helps to understand where people have come from, and what happens to people (and their children!) when there&#039;s this level of irresponsibility.

Now... Re: Do parents owe their kids a college education? I&#039;ve gone back and forth on this issue. It&#039;s a tough one, and no one has all the answers. My parents sure didn&#039;t pay for mine - a combination of factors saw to that. But in the end, I do actually think it is the parent&#039;s responsibility to help if they can at all afford to, because the federal financial aid system in the United States is set up to expect them to. It&#039;s extremely difficult for anyone under 24 to get the financial aid they might need in the absence of parental support. Yes, joining the military is an option... actually, it&#039;s one of the only options. (The other two options are to get a heterosexual marriage or have a baby... or to wait until you turn 24.) So I have little tolerance for parents who are both unhelpful and combative when it comes to financing a college education in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because what I&#8217;m going to say is tangential the original article, I want to comment on Lazy Man&#8217;s wife&#8217;s story first: it&#8217;s sad, and I&#8217;m glad she posted it. It helps to understand where people have come from, and what happens to people (and their children!) when there&#8217;s this level of irresponsibility.</p>
<p>Now&#8230; Re: Do parents owe their kids a college education? I&#8217;ve gone back and forth on this issue. It&#8217;s a tough one, and no one has all the answers. My parents sure didn&#8217;t pay for mine &#8211; a combination of factors saw to that. But in the end, I do actually think it is the parent&#8217;s responsibility to help if they can at all afford to, because the federal financial aid system in the United States is set up to expect them to. It&#8217;s extremely difficult for anyone under 24 to get the financial aid they might need in the absence of parental support. Yes, joining the military is an option&#8230; actually, it&#8217;s one of the only options. (The other two options are to get a heterosexual marriage or have a baby&#8230; or to wait until you turn 24.) So I have little tolerance for parents who are both unhelpful and combative when it comes to financing a college education in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: 2million</title>
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		<dc:creator>2million</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: ROS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ROS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a candid account: I appreciated you posting it.  I was floored at how long your mom made the effort to keep up with the Joneses.  I hope many folks read it and instill in them strong lessons in money and finance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a candid account: I appreciated you posting it.  I was floored at how long your mom made the effort to keep up with the Joneses.  I hope many folks read it and instill in them strong lessons in money and finance.</p>
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		<title>By: SingleGuyMoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>SingleGuyMoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see why it has taken your wife so long to write this story. 

I agree that kids should not expect parents to pay for their college education but parents should not take money given to the kids from someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see why it has taken your wife so long to write this story. </p>
<p>I agree that kids should not expect parents to pay for their college education but parents should not take money given to the kids from someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: brooklynchick</title>
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		<dc:creator>brooklynchick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so sorry.  That sounds like such a terribly tough situation for you and your sister.  You have every right to feel sad, bitter, all of it.

On the plus side, it sounds like you and your husband are determined not to let the same things happen in your life and marriage, which is great!

Its brave to share your personal story, so thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sorry.  That sounds like such a terribly tough situation for you and your sister.  You have every right to feel sad, bitter, all of it.</p>
<p>On the plus side, it sounds like you and your husband are determined not to let the same things happen in your life and marriage, which is great!</p>
<p>Its brave to share your personal story, so thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your story.

A very wise woman said &quot;once you have children, you give up the right to be selfish.&quot;  This seems very much a story of parents who are self-centered, and not a story about whether or not a parent should pay for college!

For contrast, my parents struggled their whole lives with money while raising 6 kids.  One time during an especially long layoff, they simply could not come up with the $100 needed for the mortgage payment.  They approached me, age 10, and asked if it would be ok if they cashed the savings bonds I received as a baby.  I agreed.  Over the following years, they bought me 3 or 4 savings bonds to try to make up for it, and I had to reassure them on numerous occasions that they didn&#039;t need to feel guilty about it because I was happy to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your story.</p>
<p>A very wise woman said &#8220;once you have children, you give up the right to be selfish.&#8221;  This seems very much a story of parents who are self-centered, and not a story about whether or not a parent should pay for college!</p>
<p>For contrast, my parents struggled their whole lives with money while raising 6 kids.  One time during an especially long layoff, they simply could not come up with the $100 needed for the mortgage payment.  They approached me, age 10, and asked if it would be ok if they cashed the savings bonds I received as a baby.  I agreed.  Over the following years, they bought me 3 or 4 savings bonds to try to make up for it, and I had to reassure them on numerous occasions that they didn&#8217;t need to feel guilty about it because I was happy to help.</p>
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		<title>By: No Debt Plan</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Debt Plan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I can imagine that being extraordinarily difficult to write. A sad story...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I can imagine that being extraordinarily difficult to write. A sad story&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thankful</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thankful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to give some positive reinforcement after some pretty harsh comments. The college fund was LM&#039;s wife&#039;s money, period, given as a gift from the grandmother to the wife for things like baptism and communion. The parents should NOT have used it for expenses, unless some effort was made to pay it back before other non-essentials. I actually don&#039;t believe it&#039;s OK for the mom to have drained the account in any case, but people aren&#039;t perfect.

The $1900 surprise tuition sounds like it was handled in the best way possible at the time, but I don&#039;t think your wife should feel bad that this upset her, especially if she watched her mother buy many Christmas presents and host parties at the same time. It must be heartbreaking to see that your parents valued material things over fulfilling a commitment to their children. It was probably just another instance where something had been promised and not delivered. Whether the promise was &quot;deserved&quot; or not is immaterial. 

For all the difficulty it caused her at the time, it sounds like a good example of learning by experience -- finding out not only the value of good friends willing to help, but also strongly reinforcing the need to plan ahead for what you don&#039;t expect, not just what you do expect. Sounds like you guys have learned those lessons well and are committed to living your lives on a different path.

To respond to Cat, no, the wife&#039;s situation is not the same as growing up with parents addicted to crack. However, that doesn&#039;t make her reaction to her life experience invalid. A child of crack addicts in America has a much better life than that of a crippled child in the poorest regions of India, or a refugee child living in a camp in Darfur. The wife didn&#039;t wallow in pity, she worked hard to change her life for the better. The child of a crack addict has a different set of circumstances to overcome, but that doesn&#039;t mean that they are the only ones to feel like other people&#039;s actions that are out of their control have adversely affected their lives.

I know a very wealthy young man who walked into his mother&#039;s bedroom because he was worried about her, and found her lying on the bed with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. She was wearing every single fur she owned and every single piece of jewelry, and nothing else. All the wealth in the world couldn&#039;t give him a functional and healthy mother. Can we not have enough empathy for both the children of crack addicts and the guy who found his mother dead and nude except the furs and jewelry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to give some positive reinforcement after some pretty harsh comments. The college fund was LM&#8217;s wife&#8217;s money, period, given as a gift from the grandmother to the wife for things like baptism and communion. The parents should NOT have used it for expenses, unless some effort was made to pay it back before other non-essentials. I actually don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s OK for the mom to have drained the account in any case, but people aren&#8217;t perfect.</p>
<p>The $1900 surprise tuition sounds like it was handled in the best way possible at the time, but I don&#8217;t think your wife should feel bad that this upset her, especially if she watched her mother buy many Christmas presents and host parties at the same time. It must be heartbreaking to see that your parents valued material things over fulfilling a commitment to their children. It was probably just another instance where something had been promised and not delivered. Whether the promise was &#8220;deserved&#8221; or not is immaterial. </p>
<p>For all the difficulty it caused her at the time, it sounds like a good example of learning by experience &#8212; finding out not only the value of good friends willing to help, but also strongly reinforcing the need to plan ahead for what you don&#8217;t expect, not just what you do expect. Sounds like you guys have learned those lessons well and are committed to living your lives on a different path.</p>
<p>To respond to Cat, no, the wife&#8217;s situation is not the same as growing up with parents addicted to crack. However, that doesn&#8217;t make her reaction to her life experience invalid. A child of crack addicts in America has a much better life than that of a crippled child in the poorest regions of India, or a refugee child living in a camp in Darfur. The wife didn&#8217;t wallow in pity, she worked hard to change her life for the better. The child of a crack addict has a different set of circumstances to overcome, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that they are the only ones to feel like other people&#8217;s actions that are out of their control have adversely affected their lives.</p>
<p>I know a very wealthy young man who walked into his mother&#8217;s bedroom because he was worried about her, and found her lying on the bed with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. She was wearing every single fur she owned and every single piece of jewelry, and nothing else. All the wealth in the world couldn&#8217;t give him a functional and healthy mother. Can we not have enough empathy for both the children of crack addicts and the guy who found his mother dead and nude except the furs and jewelry?</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, no one is &quot;owed&quot; a college education, however, 1) Lazy&#039;s wife was given funds for hers that were re-appropriated and never repaid due to MIL&#039;s lifestyle choices and 2) wife and SIL were contributing their work (teens doing the building supervisor work so Mom can live rent free) to the household when they could have been working to earn money for their educations. Re; tough childhoods - Lazy&#039;s wife had to be the adult in her family, because clearly neither of her parents were stepping into that role (see no. 2 above) and both appear to be pretty selfish; maybe there wasn&#039;t substance abuse or physical abuse, but there is definitely a tough environment to deal with...and to overcome. I&#039;m glad Lazy&#039;s wife didn&#039;t take her mother&#039;s penchant for living higher than her wage as &#039;normal&#039; - she appears to have had enough better role models to take after and that is a blessing.
Lazy - Thank you for sharing this with us - I think it is wonderful that you and your wife are in a good position to learn and not fall into the mistakes of the older generation (change your family tree!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no one is &#8220;owed&#8221; a college education, however, 1) Lazy&#8217;s wife was given funds for hers that were re-appropriated and never repaid due to MIL&#8217;s lifestyle choices and 2) wife and SIL were contributing their work (teens doing the building supervisor work so Mom can live rent free) to the household when they could have been working to earn money for their educations. Re; tough childhoods &#8211; Lazy&#8217;s wife had to be the adult in her family, because clearly neither of her parents were stepping into that role (see no. 2 above) and both appear to be pretty selfish; maybe there wasn&#8217;t substance abuse or physical abuse, but there is definitely a tough environment to deal with&#8230;and to overcome. I&#8217;m glad Lazy&#8217;s wife didn&#8217;t take her mother&#8217;s penchant for living higher than her wage as &#8216;normal&#8217; &#8211; she appears to have had enough better role models to take after and that is a blessing.<br />
Lazy &#8211; Thank you for sharing this with us &#8211; I think it is wonderful that you and your wife are in a good position to learn and not fall into the mistakes of the older generation (change your family tree!).</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing your story.  You&#039;ve lived through some difficult experiences.  I&#039;m really not sure where some of the harsher comments are coming from - sure, if there&#039;s no money it is reasonable to have a child work for school and to tell them that is the plan.  But in this case, it seems like there was money (her college fund with her first communion money, etc), yet because of her parent&#039;s inability to PLAN and extravegant spending, she was left out in the cold and clearly made to feel like her needs and dreams where afterthoughts.  I would be a little resentful.  Are mom&#039;s mink coats, parties, and trinkets  more important than rebuilding her child&#039;s college education fund?  Is dad&#039;s boat and timeshare with his latest girlfriend more important than rebuilding his child&#039;s college education fund?  Also, living in a house where there is constant tension and verbal abuse is very, very, very hard.  (And no, I don&#039;t want to compare whether this is better than living with crack addicts; it&#039;s still hard).  All in all, I find this to be a sad story - and one that some ability and willingness to plan, read, and prioritize could have averted.  Best of luck to you as you plan your life.  And time does heal wounds...  I&#039;m got scars that are mostly healed - when touched they ache still with  a tinge of resentment and, this is new, compassion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing your story.  You&#8217;ve lived through some difficult experiences.  I&#8217;m really not sure where some of the harsher comments are coming from &#8211; sure, if there&#8217;s no money it is reasonable to have a child work for school and to tell them that is the plan.  But in this case, it seems like there was money (her college fund with her first communion money, etc), yet because of her parent&#8217;s inability to PLAN and extravegant spending, she was left out in the cold and clearly made to feel like her needs and dreams where afterthoughts.  I would be a little resentful.  Are mom&#8217;s mink coats, parties, and trinkets  more important than rebuilding her child&#8217;s college education fund?  Is dad&#8217;s boat and timeshare with his latest girlfriend more important than rebuilding his child&#8217;s college education fund?  Also, living in a house where there is constant tension and verbal abuse is very, very, very hard.  (And no, I don&#8217;t want to compare whether this is better than living with crack addicts; it&#8217;s still hard).  All in all, I find this to be a sad story &#8211; and one that some ability and willingness to plan, read, and prioritize could have averted.  Best of luck to you as you plan your life.  And time does heal wounds&#8230;  I&#8217;m got scars that are mostly healed &#8211; when touched they ache still with  a tinge of resentment and, this is new, compassion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for sharing a story that must have been painful to write let alone live through.  I don&#039;t blame you for being angry about your parents for not supporting you in college.  But, it seems you have risen above your circumstances and maybe sharing your story leads other to make different choices with their money.  You expect parents to be the example but sometimes they aren&#039;t.  Our only insurance against making the same mistakes is awareness and a willing to live honestly.  You&#039;ve obviously chosen this path.
Jerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for sharing a story that must have been painful to write let alone live through.  I don&#8217;t blame you for being angry about your parents for not supporting you in college.  But, it seems you have risen above your circumstances and maybe sharing your story leads other to make different choices with their money.  You expect parents to be the example but sometimes they aren&#8217;t.  Our only insurance against making the same mistakes is awareness and a willing to live honestly.  You&#8217;ve obviously chosen this path.<br />
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		<title>By: Lazy Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazy Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I talked with my wife a little more on this topic (she&#039;s currently on a business trip without Internet access), and it&#039;s a longer story than it was presented here.  My interpretation is the following factors played into her feelings on the $1900 for college.

- It was a one-time $1900 that was unexpected by my wife and her mother.  For some reason they didn&#039;t understand that you have to pay every semester so this was a surprise bill.  Mid-semester loans and scholarships were impossible to come by - she tried.  There is some blame for my wife not knowing the billing policy, but all of this information was sent by my college to my mother.  It could be a scenario where my wife would have never seen it, if her mother didn&#039;t share it.

- Upon borrowing the money from the family friend, she did work two jobs in that summer until the friend was paid off.  Her work during school supported herself during school.

- The rest of the years, with better planning, they had more loans, financial aid, etc.  This financial aid, eventually led to her joining the military.  (Louis ND, she&#039;s not much different from your sister).

- While Cat mentioned, &quot;her parents weren’t crack addicts&quot;, one should know that all things are relative.  I think the environment that she grew up in should be considered. If you grew up with all the riches in the world and then had to get by on a $25/hour wage, it would be quite tough for that person.  My wife&#039;s environment was one where everyone around her was given cars, given college, etc.  They never had to think about how a speeding ticket meant eating Ramen that week.

- The $1900 underscores the important message she was trying to convey.  It&#039;s my fault, but I seem to have edited a lot of that message out when I changed the title from her &quot;A history of growing up with no emergency fund and financially irresponsible parents&quot; to my &quot;Poor Money Choices Ruined My Parents&#039; Life.&quot; An emergency fund would have made this situation much better. We&#039;ve continued to add to our emergency fund for just situation.  It might even be too large.

- Lastly, there is the fact that the mother essentially stole money from her which would have solved this problem and didn&#039;t repay it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I talked with my wife a little more on this topic (she&#8217;s currently on a business trip without Internet access), and it&#8217;s a longer story than it was presented here.  My interpretation is the following factors played into her feelings on the $1900 for college.</p>
<p>- It was a one-time $1900 that was unexpected by my wife and her mother.  For some reason they didn&#8217;t understand that you have to pay every semester so this was a surprise bill.  Mid-semester loans and scholarships were impossible to come by &#8211; she tried.  There is some blame for my wife not knowing the billing policy, but all of this information was sent by my college to my mother.  It could be a scenario where my wife would have never seen it, if her mother didn&#8217;t share it.</p>
<p>- Upon borrowing the money from the family friend, she did work two jobs in that summer until the friend was paid off.  Her work during school supported herself during school.</p>
<p>- The rest of the years, with better planning, they had more loans, financial aid, etc.  This financial aid, eventually led to her joining the military.  (Louis ND, she&#8217;s not much different from your sister).</p>
<p>- While Cat mentioned, &#8220;her parents weren’t crack addicts&#8221;, one should know that all things are relative.  I think the environment that she grew up in should be considered. If you grew up with all the riches in the world and then had to get by on a $25/hour wage, it would be quite tough for that person.  My wife&#8217;s environment was one where everyone around her was given cars, given college, etc.  They never had to think about how a speeding ticket meant eating Ramen that week.</p>
<p>- The $1900 underscores the important message she was trying to convey.  It&#8217;s my fault, but I seem to have edited a lot of that message out when I changed the title from her &#8220;A history of growing up with no emergency fund and financially irresponsible parents&#8221; to my &#8220;Poor Money Choices Ruined My Parents&#8217; Life.&#8221; An emergency fund would have made this situation much better. We&#8217;ve continued to add to our emergency fund for just situation.  It might even be too large.</p>
<p>- Lastly, there is the fact that the mother essentially stole money from her which would have solved this problem and didn&#8217;t repay it.</p>
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