Comments on: MonaVie Scam? http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/ Saving, Earning, and Investing Money Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:22:17 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Strangely http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-156964 Strangely Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:38:02 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-156964 @JustLooking Someone has to sell used cars so nothing wrong with that. At least (usually, if you know a smidgen about cars) you can SEE what you're getting! They're not making out that the Toyota hatchback is actually a Rolls-Royce that drives like an F1 car! They'll say, "It's Toyota hatchback. ...er, do you want it?" @JustLooking
Someone has to sell used cars so nothing wrong with that.
At least (usually, if you know a smidgen about cars) you can SEE what you’re getting!
They’re not making out that the Toyota hatchback is actually a Rolls-Royce that drives like an F1 car!
They’ll say, “It’s Toyota hatchback. …er, do you want it?”

]]> By: Candace http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-156880 Candace Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:13:53 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-156880 @ just looking, No reason to disparage used car salesmen by putting them into the same category as MonaVie distributors. @ just looking,

No reason to disparage used car salesmen by putting them into the same category as MonaVie distributors.

]]> By: JustLooking http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-156851 JustLooking Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:13:09 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-156851 After being approached by a friend who is big into MV, I did a lot of research and found this: 1. It's not the best juice out there. Vemma seems to be better overall (but just a pricey) but cheap old purple grape juice seems to have the best properties for cancer-fighting, etc. 2. It's extremely high priced and doesn't even come close to holding the health-to-value quality. 3. The people who make money in this do it by getting the line below them to autoship well over a $1000/ea of the product for self-use. There isn't much repeat selling outside the team which makes it seem like a pyramid scheme. My decision: It sounds like a business in which money can be made. However, I am not comfortable selling an inferior product for a outlandish price and trying to get MY friends to spend the money themselves and to talk others into doing the same so that I can line my pockets with somewhat dishonest money. I'm not a used car salesman and my ethics are too high to join. But I'm glad my friend is doing so well financially in the business. I just hope he is able to sleep well at night. After being approached by a friend who is big into MV, I did a lot of research and found this:
1. It’s not the best juice out there. Vemma seems to be better overall (but just a pricey) but cheap old purple grape juice seems to have the best properties for cancer-fighting, etc.
2. It’s extremely high priced and doesn’t even come close to holding the health-to-value quality.
3. The people who make money in this do it by getting the line below them to autoship well over a $1000/ea of the product for self-use. There isn’t much repeat selling outside the team which makes it seem like a pyramid scheme.

My decision: It sounds like a business in which money can be made. However, I am not comfortable selling an inferior product for a outlandish price and trying to get MY friends to spend the money themselves and to talk others into doing the same so that I can line my pockets with somewhat dishonest money. I’m not a used car salesman and my ethics are too high to join. But I’m glad my friend is doing so well financially in the business. I just hope he is able to sleep well at night.

]]> By: Strangely http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-156532 Strangely Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:47:08 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-156532 @Nicole. They're all fruits, dear. Bad fruits. I had an Innocent smoothie for two quid this week which lists 100 acai berries as one of it's ingredients. So? You ask. Well that's it... It was two quid. About the same as the real cost, processing and transport of the ingredients. @Nicole.
They’re all fruits, dear. Bad fruits.

I had an Innocent smoothie for two quid this week which lists 100 acai berries as one of it’s ingredients.

So? You ask.

Well that’s it… It was two quid. About the same as the real cost, processing and transport of the ingredients.

]]> By: Nicole http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-156531 Nicole Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:28:39 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-156531 Are you sure its 12 fruits? My friend's friend also said its 19. It's annoying to hear something so crazy as Monavie from her, and I think it's possibly the same as Powerade, but a watered down waste of money. May I have more information? Are you sure its 12 fruits? My friend’s friend also said its 19. It’s annoying to hear something so crazy as Monavie from her, and I think it’s possibly the same as Powerade, but a watered down waste of money. May I have more information?

]]> By: Cornelius http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-156475 Cornelius Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:05:45 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-156475 much is made on how great multilevel marketing is, but i would like to point out its end result. i dont know if anyone has remarked on the effects of exponential growth that mlms entail but here is a little example. suppose that i start selling a canadian version of lattimers Awesome pills that also prevent bear attacks. my market is limited to canada only(my homeland). canadas population is around 33.5 million. i start by recruiting 2 people and thats it. those 2 people will only recruit 2 each. every day the new guys recruit 2 people each and thats it. sounds simple right? day one ME day 2 2 ppl recruited + me = 3 ppl in the mlm day 3 4 ppl recruited + 3 already involved = 7 ppl day 4 8 ppl recruited + 7 ppl = 15 ppl day 5 16 ppl recruited + 15 = 31 ppl day 6 32 + 31 = 63 ppl day 7 64 + 63 = 127 day 8 128 + 127 = 255 day 9 256 + 255 = 511 day 10 512 + 511 = 1023 day 11 1024 + 1023 =2047 day 12 2048 + 2047 = 4095 day 13 4096 + 4095 = 8191 day 14 8192 + 8191 = 16383 day 15 16384 + 16383 = 32767 day 16 32768 + 32767 = 65535 day 17 65536 + 65535 = 131071 day 18 131072 + 131071 = 262143 day 19 262144 + 262143 = 524287 day 20 524288 + 524287 = 1048575 day 21 1048576 + 1048575 = 2097151 day 22 2097152 + 2097151 = 4194303 day 23 4194304 + 4194303 = 8,388,607 day 24 8,388,608 + 8,388,607 = 16,777,215 day 25 16,777,216 + 16,777,215 = 33,554,431 so you can see that in less than a month you have the entire population of canada recruited into the scheme and almost 17 million people at the bottom with no one to sell it to. pyramid schemes can make SOME people LOTS of money but is impossible to make MOST people ANY money. end of story. much is made on how great multilevel marketing is, but i would like to point out its end result. i dont know if anyone has remarked on the effects of exponential growth that mlms entail but here is a little example. suppose that i start selling a canadian version of lattimers Awesome pills that also prevent bear attacks. my market is limited to canada only(my homeland). canadas population is around 33.5 million. i start by recruiting 2 people and thats it. those 2 people will only recruit 2 each. every day the new guys recruit 2 people each and thats it. sounds simple right?

day one
ME
day 2
2 ppl recruited + me = 3 ppl in the mlm
day 3
4 ppl recruited + 3 already involved = 7 ppl
day 4
8 ppl recruited + 7 ppl = 15 ppl
day 5
16 ppl recruited + 15 = 31 ppl
day 6
32 + 31 = 63 ppl
day 7
64 + 63 = 127
day 8
128 + 127 = 255
day 9
256 + 255 = 511
day 10
512 + 511 = 1023
day 11
1024 + 1023 =2047
day 12
2048 + 2047 = 4095
day 13
4096 + 4095 = 8191
day 14
8192 + 8191 = 16383
day 15
16384 + 16383 = 32767
day 16
32768 + 32767 = 65535
day 17
65536 + 65535 = 131071
day 18
131072 + 131071 = 262143
day 19
262144 + 262143 = 524287
day 20
524288 + 524287 = 1048575
day 21
1048576 + 1048575 = 2097151
day 22
2097152 + 2097151 = 4194303
day 23
4194304 + 4194303 = 8,388,607
day 24
8,388,608 + 8,388,607 = 16,777,215
day 25
16,777,216 + 16,777,215 = 33,554,431

so you can see that in less than a month you have the entire population of canada recruited into the scheme and almost 17 million people at the bottom with no one to sell it to. pyramid schemes can make SOME people LOTS of money but is impossible to make MOST people ANY money. end of story.

]]> By: Vogel http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-155738 Vogel Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:44:13 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-155738 Although, aside from the legality issue, Bryce's point was pretty accurate. All the dough that's being made is from tools sales and event fees. That's why the kingins are pocketing big bucks and that's why the company can is making big revenue claims. The distributors don't get to share a cent of it though. As for the legality, I'd say that there are at least a half dozen areas where Monavie and it's distributors are breaking the law. Mostly would fall under the general categories of false advertising and prohibited disease claims about the product, and misleading claims about the business. Although, aside from the legality issue, Bryce’s point was pretty accurate. All the dough that’s being made is from tools sales and event fees. That’s why the kingins are pocketing big bucks and that’s why the company can is making big revenue claims. The distributors don’t get to share a cent of it though. As for the legality, I’d say that there are at least a half dozen areas where Monavie and it’s distributors are breaking the law. Mostly would fall under the general categories of false advertising and prohibited disease claims about the product, and misleading claims about the business.

]]> By: Lazy Man http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-155735 Lazy Man Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:35:25 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-155735 When I ask if MonaVie is a scam, it's not a question of the legality of the product. (Though some say what they are doing is illegal, that's a longer story than I want to get into here.) I'm asking if the consumer is getting value for his/her dollar or if they are being tricked into paying a lot of money for something that can be had for much cheaper. It's not illegal to sell old Yugos for $50,000 either. When I ask if MonaVie is a scam, it’s not a question of the legality of the product. (Though some say what they are doing is illegal, that’s a longer story than I want to get into here.) I’m asking if the consumer is getting value for his/her dollar or if they are being tricked into paying a lot of money for something that can be had for much cheaper. It’s not illegal to sell old Yugos for $50,000 either.

]]> By: Bryce http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-155705 Bryce Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:25:25 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-155705 MonaVie is not a scam as far as being illegal, but there are many other things that are misleading. For example, the main man Woodwards makes all his money off the training aids he sells. He is set to pocket $6 million this year in training info sales. Realistically, that is 99% of his income. All of the training material is copyrighted so that each new rep has to buy all of the stuff from Monavie. They also held a rally at a hockey arena recently out somewhere on the east coast. Each and every person (guests as well) were required to buy a $90 entry ticket. Do the math: R means revenue P means people in attendance Therefore, R=(90)P Total revenue for the event exceeded by more than 3x the revenue generated by any rock concert at that venue in the last 5 years. The point I'm getting at is that the Man At The Top is making his money by selling rally tickets to his reps. Thanks for your time, B MonaVie is not a scam as far as being illegal, but there are many other things that are misleading. For example, the main man Woodwards makes all his money off the training aids he sells. He is set to pocket $6 million this year in training info sales. Realistically, that is 99% of his income. All of the training material is copyrighted so that each new rep has to buy all of the stuff from Monavie. They also held a rally at a hockey arena recently out somewhere on the east coast. Each and every person (guests as well) were required to buy a $90 entry ticket. Do the math:

R means revenue
P means people in attendance
Therefore, R=(90)P

Total revenue for the event exceeded by more than 3x the revenue generated by any rock concert at that venue in the last 5 years. The point I’m getting at is that the Man At The Top is making his money by selling rally tickets to his reps.

Thanks for your time,
B

]]> By: Holle http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-155667 Holle Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:57:24 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-155667 candace scared away ambitious man... ha ha candace scared away ambitious man… ha ha

]]> By: Lazy Man http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-154859 Lazy Man Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:37:01 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-154859 I did ask Cornelius if he could sent me an image of the bottle. I did ask Cornelius if he could sent me an image of the bottle.

]]> By: Vogel http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-154854 Vogel Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:25:08 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-154854 Interesting information there Cornelius. I've often wondered about that, knowing that labeling requirements vary from country to country. If you ever get a chance, it would be great to get a jpeg or the details on the label. Interesting information there Cornelius. I’ve often wondered about that, knowing that labeling requirements vary from country to country. If you ever get a chance, it would be great to get a jpeg or the details on the label.

]]> By: Philip http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-154768 Philip Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:42:02 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-154768 A "friend" of mine tried to recruit me for this product, claiming it was the best thing to cure whatever ails you. I asked him to meet me the next night at the local high school track to go for a run...If I drop first, I will buy (after all, if Mona Vie is all that, I am sure he will go for miles. He then began to backpedal and tell my why he couldn't (too old, too many injuries, moon in the wrong phase, etc) Thi sis a load of snkae oil. Save your money. A “friend” of mine tried to recruit me for this product, claiming it was the best thing to cure whatever ails you. I asked him to meet me the next night at the local high school track to go for a run…If I drop first, I will buy (after all, if Mona Vie is all that, I am sure he will go for miles. He then began to backpedal and tell my why he couldn’t (too old, too many injuries, moon in the wrong phase, etc)
Thi sis a load of snkae oil. Save your money.

]]> By: lattimore http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-154749 lattimore Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:53:22 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-154749 the sad truth is that junk food is marketed much more honestly than monavie. at least they arent claiming that a snickers bar will kill my hunger and my cancer. the sad truth is that junk food is marketed much more honestly than monavie. at least they arent claiming that a snickers bar will kill my hunger and my cancer.

]]> By: Cornelius http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-154690 Cornelius Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:03:09 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-154690 i havent been able to read the entire 3000 or so post that are archived (sadly the outside world calls frantically) but i did notice a post where someone, i believe it was lazy, was wondering about whether monavie has sodium benzoate. i dont know if you have received information on that but in Canada we have different laws and let me tell you it shows up under non medicinal ingredients along with potassium sorbate as preservatives. those other fruits they talk about? they show up under Flavour base whatever that means. the only medicinal ingredients are acai puree and powder and acerola pulp. dont know if that helps but it also DOESNT show percentage of daily nutritional intake and even junk food has that here in Canada. i havent been able to read the entire 3000 or so post that are archived (sadly the outside world calls frantically) but i did notice a post where someone, i believe it was lazy, was wondering about whether monavie has sodium benzoate. i dont know if you have received information on that but in Canada we have different laws and let me tell you it shows up under non medicinal ingredients along with potassium sorbate as preservatives. those other fruits they talk about? they show up under Flavour base whatever that means. the only medicinal ingredients are acai puree and powder and acerola pulp. dont know if that helps but it also DOESNT show percentage of daily nutritional intake and even junk food has that here in Canada.

]]> By: Vogel http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-154669 Vogel Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:45:59 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-154669 <b>Did We Say Free? Oops! We Really Meant…</b> After careful reconsideration, Monavie LLC has decided that they do in fact want that money after all…have a Happy New Year and pay up sucker! http://monaviemediacenter.com/free-enrollment-ends-thursday-december-31-2009 Did We Say Free? Oops! We Really Meant…

After careful reconsideration, Monavie LLC has decided that they do in fact want that money after all…have a Happy New Year and pay up sucker!
http://monaviemediacenter.com/free-enrollment-ends-thursday-december-31-2009

]]> By: Strangely http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-154523 Strangely Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:11:20 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-154523 @j-man I think Bob's effort is a supreme example of Q.E.D. in action! Damn. I've been suckered in. Is that emotional? @j-man

I think Bob’s effort is a supreme example of Q.E.D. in action!

Damn. I’ve been suckered in. Is that emotional?

]]> By: j-man http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-154520 j-man Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:58:14 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-154520 Bob, who are the Trolls u speak of? Is it the Pro Mv guys, or the one posting facts that prove (by 3 different studies/tests) MV juice is the most over priced white grape juice around????? New slogan... "The only thing better than our juice....our testimonies" Bob, who are the Trolls u speak of? Is it the Pro Mv guys, or the one posting facts that prove (by 3 different studies/tests) MV juice is the most over priced white grape juice around?????

New slogan…
“The only thing better than our juice….our testimonies”

]]> By: Bob http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-154351 Bob Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:24:32 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-154351 This site is Full of Trolls its Funny! In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. This site is Full of Trolls its Funny!

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

]]> By: Candace http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/comment-page-36/#comment-154143 Candace Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:15:58 +0000 http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/monavie-scam-was-my-wife-recruited-sell-snake-oil/#comment-154143 Gloriously salubrious Memo Sanchez ROCKS! 8-) Gloriously salubrious Memo Sanchez ROCKS! 8-)

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