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[MonaVie has issued a cease and desist order in an attempt to prevent you from this article below. I'd pay special attention to the comments as there is a lot of great information about MonaVie there.]
Is MonaVie a Scam?
Is MonaVie a Scam?
Was my wife targeted to buy snake-oil? Hundreds of people weigh in.
My wife is an active member in a nation-wide, young adults group. I am a member as well, but I'm not nearly as active (lack of time, plus my Laziness kicks in). The groups' goals are very noble. They aim to help members with public speaking and event planning skills while raising money for charity through local businesses. Recently my wife went to a meeting and was gone longer than usual. I got a little concerned, so I called her to find out how the meeting was going. It turned out that it wasn't a typical meeting any more - one of the members had invited some business acquaintances of his. When she got back, she told me about the meeting. It turned into a presentation of an energy/antioxidant juice called MonaVie.
About MonaVie
This juice is a blend of 19 juices with the most referenced being the açaí (a-sigh-eee) berry. The açaí berry supposedly has many, many antioxidant properties. I like to be as healthy as I possible, so why wouldn't I incorporate MonaVie into my diet?
The Price of MonaVie
The business behind the juice detracts from it's value. The juice itself is not cheap. It's $40 a bottle with a bottle lasting only around one week. That means you can expect to pay around $175 a month for this juice. For many people, that's a significant car payment. For this kind of money, one would expect some sort of guarantee, perhaps a popular, publicly-traded, pharmaceutical company standing behind it. The company also doesn't publish how much of the acai berry is each bottle.
MonaVie and Multi-Level Marketing (MLM)
Beyond MonaVie juice being expensive, it is sold by distributors who are compensated in based on a multi-level marketing structure. Some of you familiar with Amway or Quixtar might understand how this works. For those who are new to multi-level marketing, the goal of the organization is to recruit more sellers and "incentivize" them for recruiting them. I'm not a big fan of such systems, it seems like the founders of the company always make a fair amount, and the people that join later end up with few sales and no one else to recruit.
The people the other night were trying to coerce my wife to buy two bottles, at nearly $100, and potentially become a distributor. My wife balked at such a thing, largely because she knew that I would want to do some research before spending that kind of money. They ended up giving her two bottles of juice to try for free. I fear that my wife may notice a placebo effect and grow a taste for the expensive juice.
MonaVie: Perhaps not a Scam?
Is it possible that it could work? Well Wikipedia references that Red Sox players Jonathan Papelbon and J.D. Drew as fans. As Red Sox fans ourselves this is high praise. I read an article from Fortune magazine that had high praise of MonaVie coming from Sumner Redstone. That's a very influential person and a very influential magazine. I did find one scientific piece of research, a PDF by AIBMR Life Sciences (update: it seems to have been removed from the site). The clinical research shows that it does indeed deliver more antioxidants than a placebo (update: in the comments it has come out that the researcher of the study was supplying MonaVie with it's acai - sounds very biased to me). However, it doesn't compare to less costly solutions, like a multivitamin, V8 Fusion Acai Berry
Update: There have been thousands of comments here... I urge people interested in making a decision about whether to buy or sell MonaVie to read them.
Further Reading from MonaVie Scam:
- MonaVie Lies about the ORAC score of MonaVie?
- Oprah Sues MonaVie
- Men’s Journal Proves MonaVie Lacks Nutrition
- MonaVie vs. an Apple (Hint: the apple wins easily)
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Do you want to explain why every medical study shows that it has little nutrition? Here’s one for example: http://www.mensjournal.com/superjuices-on-trial. Being mentioned in the media does not make it a healthy juice. What about when Oprah (10 times larger than Rachel Ray and The Doctor’s) starts legal proceedings against Monavie (http://www.juicescam.com/oprah-sues-monavie/). What if the M.O.R.E. Foundation is misusing it’s funds to not help the children of Brazil (http://www.juicescam.com/the-more-project-is-misusing-funds/)?
The list goes on… we haven’t scratched the surface yet. However, you would know all this if you read the comments.
Joel…2 weeks makes you an expert, eh?
Come back when you’ve spent a year and a half researching every single bit of info you can find regarding MonaVie, MonaVie LLC, and Monarch Health Sciences. Perhaps you should begin by reading the now 3500 comments posted here.
You’ve written nothing that we haven’t already dis-proven or debunked in one way or another at great length.
Next….
re: Joel
I knew the rebuffs wouldn’t take long.
For my own interest I took a peep at what MV had to say on their themoreproject.org page…. and the answer is, not a lot really.
There are a few pictures which may or may not be valid plus two ‘blogs’ – one from another Larsen who’s just been on a visit to Brazil to get her photo taken… Quoting her, after informing us that she’d slummed it here, http://www.ariautowers.com/, she said:
(All the various Larsen quotes are saccharin teeth-scrapingly bad and contain minimal info on all the good works.)
The other ‘blog’ is from Sergio Ponce, the project’s Brazilian gaffer. Clicking the link takes you to a private facebook page! From here you can visit lots of MV selling websites. mmm, nice.
If you logon to Facebook for more info – it’s completely blank. Absolutely private!
So much for information!
The link from LazyMan above relating to the US fires is revealing.
Ah! the lord giveth and the lord taketh away. (The MORE FAQs, policies & procedures and organisational information seem to have everything covered).
Some random jackass named Joel said: “You people make me sick.. I’ve read quite a few of these comments and I’m just disgusted at what you people have to say.”
Right back atcha F-tard!
Joel said: “Monavie is NOT a scam. I’ve been with Monavie now for about 2 weeks and I’ve seen it personally work.”
And why should that convince anyone else? Becuase you spelled “NOT” in all caps? How did it “personally work”? Can you provide any details without breaking the law? If not, then piss off!
Joel said: “It’s the official drink of the Boston Red Socks and the Anaheim Angels”
If you can’t even spell “Sox” properly then you have no business invoking their name. BTW, surely you noticed that both teams failed to make it to the Series (sorry LM!). The Yankees and Phillies are playing in the World Series – should we attribute this to the fact that those teams don’t endorse Monavie? Yes!
Joel said: “In the September issue of the Inc. 500 Magazine it’s the #1 business in the health and wellness section, #3 in Revenue and #18 overall.. That means of all 500 businesses worldwide Monavie is ranked as #18 over every business!”
Moron! The Inc. list isn’t worldwide, it’s U.S. only. And it doesn’t cover “every business”; it only includes privately-owned businesses. And it doesn’t include all privately-owned business; just those that submit a nomination, like Monavie did (along with bogus revenue claims).
Joel said: “A percentage of every case sold goes to the M.O.R.E. Foundation”
No it doesn’t! The money for MORE comes from the pockets of idiot distributors who get talked into parting with even more of their scarce money to support this $hit-stained atrocity of a scam (all so that fools like you can bleat about how wonderfully generous this company is…puke).
Joel: “I have ALSO done my hw when it comes to Monavie, and you guys don’t know what the hell you’re talking about!”
Homework??? You haven’t even graduated from Monavie kindergarten yet Junior, and yet you have the gall to lecture us, the post-graduate faculty of Monavie University? Will you be slinging any other BS for us to debunk today?
What I wonder is do all of you in Monavie also spend your own money on “tools” to make you better sales people in the business. If the top at Monavie really cared whether you sold a lot of products they would provide some sort of training they pay for. Now, I’m not sure if Monavie sell “tools” to their distributors as an “investment,” but if they do hold these morale boosting seminars (that you have to pay a good chunk of change to attend) and/or hold weekly meetings that are basically large scale sales pitches, then it seems like they are just another MLM scheme that’s not worth the time, or expense continuing.
Ah, another of the MonaVie undead has risen in time for halloween. The one they call Joel.
Distributors in Asia Barred by Monavie HQ
Interesting blurb I just found on the Monavie website about problems the company is having with distributor activity in Asia. According to their statement, any distributorships set up to date in Hong Kong, Korea, Taiwan or China are not going to be honored by the company.
“On September 24, 2009, MonaVie sent a communication to all MonaVie Ruby Executives and above reminding them of our policies regarding pre-market activity, with special emphasis given to several of our Asian markets…With that, MonaVie desires to restate its position to vigorously enforce its existing pre-market policies and procedures and eliminate any tolerance for unapproved pre-market activity that may put this opportunity for all at significant risk. While MonaVie has expressed an intent to open certain markets, under no circumstances are distributors to engage in the activities listed above in Hong Kong, Korea, Taiwan, The People’s Republic of China (PRC), or in any other country which does not appear in the Virtual Office drop down window. Currently, non-authorized enrollments are occurring in Korea, Hong Kong, and Taiwan.
Please note that MonaVie will not honor such distributorships when the company is officially introduced in these two markets.
All such distributors will be required to start over, reenroll, or even be barred from enrollment in that country as a distributor of MonaVie. Thus, they will have no advantage over other distributors. In addition, distributors who are found owning/sponsoring a MonaVie store or found importing non-registered product or found conducting unauthorized open/public meetings (more than 4-5 people) in these markets will be disciplined, up to and including termination of their distributorship.”
http://monaviemediacenter.com/unauthorized-asia-activity-a-reminder-regarding-pre-market-policies
So much for “Share the Juice.”
Ike says:
October 27, 2009 at 9:09 am
Look, Peter Popoff’s son in law is peddling this stuff on TV. Jason Cardiff is a regular on Popoff’s show, which was proven to be one of the biggest scams in history! Somehow Popoff has resurfaced to scam people again with his nonsensical ramblings and “miracle spring water”. Cardiff has about as much credibility as Popoff, which is ZERO! How could monavie be so stupid to have this guy as a pitchman? Did they not check out his history? If they are so careless to have this moron as a pitchman then I’m absolutely sure the product is equally worthless.
Ya, just about as silly as Holy Water eh.
Sorry Ike, Monavie does not have pitch men, this dude whoever he is, is an independent distributor, not corporate. I suppose you think that they should do background checks on everyone that becomes an independent distributor. Papers please. Welcome back to the Soviet Union!
vogel said : Good news today for us all today; dire news for Monavie. New regulations from the FTC (16 CFR Part 255), due to go in effect December 1, 2009, are going to pretty much put and end to Monavie’s last-ditch marketing tactic of using testimonials from anonymous bloggers and endorsements from paid shills.
Talk about a pot calling the kettle black. Mr Shill speaks out. We still haven’t figured out which company is funding you, but we will know soon enough.
Ambitious Man… it seems like Jonathan Papelbon and J.D. Drew are MonaVie pitch men.
If you read through the comments, you’ll note that Vogel has mentioned a variety of juices… even generics like cranberry juice that made by many manufacturers. If he’s working for a juice company he’s doing a terrible job of getting people to buy his company’s juice. It’s much more likely, that as the facts show, this juice isn’t worth nearly $40 a bottle (or even $20 a bottle) and he’s trying to save people’s money like I am.
Ambitious man, I suppose you think I work for a supplier of produce because I often mention that one apple has a higher ORAC and more polyphenols than an entire days serving (4 oz.) of MonaVie? Apple: 6,413 umoles. MonaVie: 2,698 umoles. Apple: 520 mg. polyphenols. MonaVie: 175 mg. of polyphenols.
Peanut butter has more antioxidants per gram, as well. Could I be working for Skippy?
Food Tech in CA says:
October 28, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Ambitious man, I suppose you think I work for a supplier of produce because I often mention that one apple has a higher ORAC and more polyphenols than an entire days serving (4 oz.) of MonaVie? Apple: 6,413 umoles. MonaVie: 2,698 umoles. Apple: 520 mg. polyphenols. MonaVie: 175 mg. of polyphenols.
Peanut butter has more antioxidants per gram, as well. Could I be working for Skippy?
No Skippy, actually I think you’re just a guy that repeats the same thing over and over.
Ambitious Man, if MonaVie distributors continue with illogical arguments, why not repeat logical ones until they get it?
If you want to hear the same thing repeated over and over again talk to a MonaVie distributor. I’ve got thousands comments of it here.
That sounds hilarious coming from a Monavie shill. There’s nothing you’ve said yet that hasn’t already been said by another of you disposable sheep, and thoroughly debunked by one of the regulars, but you spout the same old nonsense and engage in the same tired tactics just the same. And yet you wanna peg FT as the guy who repeats himself. Hilarious.
Here’s the thing though. If you guys were intelligent enough to get the point the first time, he wouldn’t have to repeat himself. Talking to you is like talking to a child with a severe mental handicap. We’re just not getting through to you, so we repeat ourselves in the hopes that one day the light will come on behind your eyes and you’ll finally understand what we’ve been trying to tell you the whole time.
wow, you’d think an “ambitious man” would have a much better retort than that.
i think Darrell is being a little hard on children w/ severe mental handicaps
Well, Ambitious man, that’s because some people seem to have a problem comprehending basic science.
You’re right lattimore, and I apologize. Children with severe mental handicaps would eventually understand what you’re trying to tell them, whereas these Monavie shills will never get it.
Thanks for the heads up ambitious man on Cardiff being an independent distributor. I guess if monavie had Osama Bin Laden or Hitler as an independent distributor that would be okay with you? Monavie obviously doesn’t care who sells their stuff even if it is someone with a crooked, shady, fraud filled background and that says a lot about the company. All I’m saying is if a messenger for this product is crooked then the product is probably equally bogus. Maybe monavie should do some background checks, especially when one of their independent distributors is high profile and involved in one of the biggest scams of all time.
Ike, I can imagine what MonaVie’s statement to that would be. They’d say something like, “We don’t have the man-power to police and do background checks on our 2 million distributors. It’s like herding cats.”
They’ve similar things in the past about distributors making illegal medical claims.
And my response would be, “MonaVie, you created that problem with your distribution method. It’s easy enough to fix that.”
One of my friends told me she started a business selling Monavie. I thought it was a big fat lie untill I researched it and came across this site. I’m still skeptical about the actual product though.
i think it’s funny how we’re all arguing black and blue personally i know of a friends mom (who i know personally) get full night rest from a broken back. if you don’t want to use or distribut the product thats your choice but don’t waste time arguing…
I am sorry if you thought my comment was an argument. I just wanted to put my two cents in.
I’m glad that funnyman finds the situation funny. If I were selling Magical Yugos for $75,000, I’m sure he’d support my company and say that they were well worth the money and there’s no point against arguing otherwise.
What do you mean by that? I do agree with you, but is that sarcasm?
Funnyman said: “i think it’s funny how we’re all arguing black and blue personally i know of a friends mom (who i know personally) get full night rest from a broken back. if you don’t want to use or distribut the product thats your choice but don’t waste time arguing…”
For someone who calls themself “Funnyman”, you sure have an odd sense of humor –- about as funny as a root canal. I couldn’t help but notice that you didn’t mention Monavie. Was your intention to merely share a banal irrelevant observation with us or were you trying to imply that Monavie has sedative and analgesic properties, and if you meant the latter, would you mind providing your distributor ID# because the FDA should probably be alerted to your marketing claims.
Selling Belief
Wow. I just found this statement from the Monavie international website; it stunned me. It equates success with faith in some very tenuous assertions, such as the value of the product (which in fact has little to none) and the integrity of the company’s leadership (entirely absent).
Monavie International says:
“One thing that Randy recommends to every distributor is to ‘constantly live in Step 5.’ In the web session on 19 October 2009, Randy went over the 10 steps for getting started, which will be available soon in the MonaVie Getting Started brochure.
As a reminder, Step 5 is about reading approved materials and visiting the MonaVie corporate websites to build belief in four key areas:
- Network marketing has many advantages over conventional business.
- MonaVie is an excellent company with a superior product.
- MonaVie offers an experienced and effective leadership team.
- You can succeed when you apply the MonaVie business system.
When your beliefs grow and strengthen, your MonaVie business will grow and strengthen proportionally. However, if your belief in MonaVie is brittle or variable, your candidate will know it and he or she will be less inclined to sign up.”
http://motminternational.com
@Vogel
I read that a while back.
If they don’t ever get off step 5 they’ll end up like citizens of Libria…
Dismal, innit?
It is all about BELIEVING !!!!!!!!
MV works when you “just believe”
And if you dont….well it still works, it is just not working for you!
Author: Vogel
Comment:
Selling Belief
Wow. I just found this statement from the Monavie international website; it stunned me. It equates success with faith in some very tenuous assertions, such as the value of the product (which in fact has little to none) and the integrity of the company’s leadership (entirely absent).
Belief is the basis of most things and just part of human nature, whether they be spiritual as to which I assume your comment eludes, or about tangible things as in ‘I believe that Ford makes a better truck than Chrysler, or I believe that spring water is better for you than RO water.’
If you don’t believe in a product, a company, or yourself then you’ll suck as a sales person with that product. It seems Randy is doing what is done in every company, and is applying the same techniques as every other company on the face of the earth. Not sure why this is so stunning to you and some sort of revelation.
@Ambitious Man
In the same way that suicide bombers believe that they’re going to a ‘finer place’ doesn’t make it true, or right.
Self-belief is a wonderful thing that allows people to do incredible things.
Indoctrination. That’s something completely different and much, much worse.
Not sure why you can’t see this?
Strangely,
He can’t see it because he “constantly lives in Step 5.”
That was swell essay on the meaning of belief “Ambitious Man”; however, it only proves that you have been indoctrinated to BELIEVE, wrongly, that the bizarre and aberrant practices of the Monavie organization are common to all corporations. They aren’t.
I’ve worked with some very good U.S. corporations over the years. Never once did they waste time trying to reinforce my belief in the company by simply demanding that I “believe”. Mind you, those companies hired smart qualified people and didn’t simply trawl a drag net over skid row to bring in new employees. Smart people will only be convinced that a company is viable based on tangibles like SEC earnings statements, stock prices, and employee turnover/attrition rates. They would certainly not try to force us into belief as a means of countering outside criticism.
Let’s not lose sight of the fact that the distributor is actually the end user of Monavie products and services. It doesn’t really matter if the distributor ever sells even a single bottle of Monavie; the end game is simply to convince them to keep buying juice on auto-ship, to keep doling out cash for tools, and to keep attending (and paying for) their own indoctrination at Monavie “training” meetings (kind of like in Iraq where they execute someone and then charge the family for the cost of the bullet).
By the time all is said and done, the distributor may have funneled tens of thousands of dollars, of their own money, into the organization every year. And bear in mind the money going toward tools and events isn’t divvied up between all the other pyramid members. It goes straight to the top dozen or so executives who have been granted the exclusive monopoly to sell tools to Monavie’s distributors.
Vogel, this is what I was talking about over a year ago when I commented about the “tools” and motivational aspect of these types of scams.
It is crucial to the scheme, the fraud cannot perpetuate without indoctrination.
Studying cults and cult interventions shows the amazing similarity between many MLM motivational tools and cult indoctrination materials.
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/a/amway/
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/a/amway/amway-bite-analysis-behavior.htm
It is enter-twined deeply within the bowels of the MLM scheme.
On another note, Ambitious Man sounds eerily like Doin’ Research and MonaVie User. And, oddly enough, just like those two, Ambitious Man’s comments never make it through to my email. I wonder if that’s a side effect of going through a temporary ISP proxy service.
Just an observation.
Oh, and I almost forgot, Ambitious Man, where’s your distributor ID number? Remember, you now have to post it on every online blog each and every time you make a comment? And how was that class you were supposed to take before you were allowed to make comments to online blogs and forums?
Ambitious Man, can you explain why 3 tests/studies have been done on MV juice proving it is nothing more than white grape juice? Why should anyone pay 30 or 40 bucks for a bottle of grape juice? You believe in your product, yet have no proof to back it up.
And please, no more testimonies.
Show us with proven medical facts.
No one, not even the folks at MV HQ have been able to explain away the questions that have been ask or the results of the 3 studies/tests. The responce from MV HQ is to try and have this blog removed, so that no one can see the FACTS. If the juice is so awesome, why not just shut everyone up and prove it.
I would just like for someone who is PRO MV to prove this juice is so amazing. And not with some damn testimony.
Since all objective evidence PROVES that Monavie is crap nutritionally, the only alternative is to spend thousands of dollars to have one’s mind re-programmed to “believe” the contrary. If it weren’t for the law, they would gladly cattle-prod and waterboard their distributors into “believing” (there’s probably a movement afoot to overturn those laws in Utah, the “wild west” for shady MLMs).
Exactly, Vogel, and while you’re spending those thousands of dollars to get yourself programmed, you can rest comfortably in the knowledge that the dollars you have spent to program yourself will be tax deductible at the end of the year.
So, buy more, buy early, buy often! And don’t forget those stocking stuffers!!
@Vogel
You’re not far wrong there…
After the FTC UTAH raid during the summer called “Operation Short Change” (which wasn’t MV but a Google Profits thing), many employees and reps of the scammer(s) thought, and still ‘believe’ if you read through the comments, that they are absolutely in-the-right and that the FTC is some form of plot….
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox13now/T28A5BU37IS57DC8C/p3 (and the previous TWO PAGES) in this SLC forum make this very clear.
As far as they can see, what they do is all fine and dandy and everyone else in the world are just scum and deserve to be creamed off for all they’re worth!
I’ve no reason to think that the MV lot are any different and a fair bit of evidence, (especially via the Larsen happy family connections), that their ‘belief system’ is just as fully functioning and intertwined with those affected by Operation Short Change.
Right, and even the tax deduction is a scam. You can’t call this a legitimate business when almost everyone involved loses money. As far as the IRS is concerned, this would probably not even qualify as a hobby business, for which very limited deductions are allowed.
I think the distributors are ripping off the U.S. taxpayer by declaring such bogus deductions, and they are being encouraged by their uplines to do so.
Good point Strangely. And the big difference with Monavie is that they are claiming that this crap will cure cancer — that sets them apart from the other scam MLMs that merely try to steal people’s money. The Monavie scam carries with it the added risks of death and needless suffering.
Vogel, I know you commented about this a few weeks ago. Here is a link with some of the arbitration documents available for viewing.
RE: Orrin Woodward (and many other ex-Amway now MonaVie kingpins) loses arbitration hearing for jumping ship to MonaVie and taking his LOS (line of sponsorship) with him, a violation of the no-compete clause that Amway makes distributors (IBOs) sign upon purchasing a kit or renewing their businesses. See: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MPsmajz_-zk/SuI3kU8mqAI/AAAAAAAAAGU/Fq2kSgYc2jE/s1600-h/ArbitrationAward_full%5B1%5D_Page_03.jpg
http://texsquixtarblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/orrin-co-are-10s-of-millions-lighter.html
Critical page from the Arbitration decision:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MPsmajz_-zk/SuI3R_BGLGI/AAAAAAAAAF0/rRa3y9B7t9U/s1600-h/ArbitrationAward_full%5B1%5D_Page_07.jpg
Mona Vie is not a scam read this to find out the truth http://www.bit.ly/2rTLOE
Tim, there are some good lies in that website. 4oz of MonaVie is not close to equal to 12 fruits. There’s a lot more but I need to catch a flight.
Oh hell Tim, don’t make me break a rib from laughing.
http://www.bit.ly/2rTLOE
I watched you in this video…
http://www.the7figurenetworker.com/ucp/819
…loved it…kept waiting for this part:
“Timmy, would you like some milk and cookies after you’re done making your little movie?”
“Dammit Ma, I told you not to bother me when I’m doing millionaire stuff…and yes, of course I want some damn milk and cookies.”
BTW Candace, yes, saw those docs on Tex’s site. Amazing. Orrin’s on the hook for $12 million. Sucks that it goes to Amway, but still…
Tim, below is my favorite taken from your site, well other than you provide no medical facts to prove your product. All you talk about is how much money one can make. Why not prove your juice is worth the 40 dollars, using medical science? After all, you said “it is not a scam”… right?
MonaVie does not make any claims but testimonials from drinkers around the world are saying that drinking 4 ounces a day is helping them with various health problems & challenges including High Blood Pressure, High Cholesterol, Diabetes, Weight Loss, Increased Energy Levels, Cancer, Arthritis, Lime’s Disease, Fibromyalgia, Joint Pain, Joint Recovery, Migraine Headaches, Acid Reflux, Digestive Problems, Insomnia, and the list goes on. Personally, it has helped me with lower back pain, increased energy (I have stopped drinking coffee), and I’m sleeping a lot better at night.
My friend said it was 19 fruits.
@Vogel
Is Tim ‘Mogadon Man’? He had me dropping off…
@j-man and @Tim
Something is NOT good just because it makes a lot of money. If that were the only criteria then the m.a.f.i.a would be ‘good’, surely?
The goodness, as j-man, vogel et al have pointed out ad nauseum, is never described in all the MV plugs.
It’s all “my friend said…”, which is hardly proof in a court of law, let alone scientific proof.
Keep it going guys. I need more videos like that one as I’m having trouble sleeping at nights currently. It’s like safe sleeping pills.
Nicole, 19 or 1900, it does not matter. If you go back and look at older comments you will see that the main fruit in the MV juice is white grape juice.
There is no “cure all” fruit. Just take care of yourself and your money. Ask your friend to give you proof, not testimonies that the juice is the shits…. There are NONE……it is all hipe!!!!
One other thing to think about, if the acai fruit is all that, then why add 18 other fruits, why not just pure acai????
i tried the various drinks and got the standard pitches
- yo have to drink this over a long period of time to recognize the true effects
-everybody is different…your results may not be the same
-has to be sold by the distributor however if yo become a distributor, the price is cheaper (the story used to entice drug dealers)
-it reminds me very much of amway and similar products where more time was spent drawing diagrams on the blackboard then talking about the actual product.
-and just like Amway, the sure fire get rich scheme requires actual purchase of the product by the distributor.
Now is it a great health inspiring drink? i offer the same answer i did a barber in Missoula, Montana. As she was cutting my thinning hair, she said she had this great product that restored hair for $15.00. I asked how it was that something that has been sought for ages, was known only by this young lady and avaialble only in Missoula, MT.
if it walks like a duck; looks like a duck and quacks like a duck….
A friend of mine recently told me he had written a letter to MV stating that he is dropping his distributorship. He confided to me that he just did not get involved early enough to make any money no matter how many “tastings” he hosted or meetings he attended. That got me wondering how many distributors that try to build a business with MV fail, leaving debt and unsold inventory. Really expensive fruit juice would be a hard sale to sustain for any length of time.
One of the sites that Candace pointed out contains a whole coven of MonaVie worshipers, including the elusive BJ (Bobby J).
http://community.naturalcures.com/group/monavie
Candace said .. Oh, and I almost forgot, Ambitious Man, where’s your distributor ID number? Remember, you now have to post it on every online blog each and every time you make a comment? And how was that class you were supposed to take before you were allowed to make comments to online blogs and forums?
huh??? who says I have to post my id# and what the heck are you talking about a class??
@Ambitious Man,
You may want to change your screen name to “Uninformed Man”.
Here is the link to the latest MonaVie Policies and Procedures (dated June 27, 2009)from MonaVie on the Move: http://monaviemediacenter.com/policies-and-procedures-update%E2%80%94social-media
Here is the crucial bit of info for you, in case you have difficulty finding it in the article I’ve linked you to:
Now why is it that I know more about MonaVie’s Policies and Procedures than a MonaVie distributor does? Hmmm?
Check out the “new feature” to MonaVie’s auto-ship program! It’s called Cascading Payment, and guarantees that should the distributor run out of cash in one account, MonaVie can still ream the distrbutor’s credit card or some other money source, automatically, every month!!
Oh happy day!
http://monaviemediacenter.com/cascading-payment-feature-added-to-autoship-program
@Candace
Excellent!!
It’s only copying what national states are doing right now – it’s called Quantitative Easing!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing
A.K.A. printing money and making the debt even bigger!
As an afterthought, does anyone know what MonaVie means? It looks like a rather bad ‘in joke’ on “living money” or something, to me.
Or is it the sound distributors make when their primary line of credit runs out, or when they’ve a garage of purple grape juice that no-one wants?
Strangely said: “As an afterthought, does anyone know what MonaVie means? It looks like a rather bad ‘in joke’ on ‘living money’ or something, to me. Or is it the sound distributors make when their primary line of credit runs out, or when they’ve a garage of purple grape juice that no-one wants?”
You know, it’s eerily coincidental that you should ask this, because I was just thinking about it this morning and I came up with a theory. I have always been struck by how blatantly Dallin Larsen skipped from one illegal juice scam – i.e., Royal Tongan Limu juice/Dynamic Essentials (shut down by the FDA and fined millions of dollars) to Monavie (the latter being a virtual clone of the Limu juice scam).
Given the blatancy of it all, I imagine that when Larsen and the gang were first plotting their Monavie scam, they were probably laughing at how gullible people are and how they would be able to get away with reinventing the Limu scam. While laughing, one of them said “good Lord, Mormon are so trusting and naïve, they’ll buy anything if we push the right buttons”; at which point one of them wheeled around and said, “you’re right! That’s it! Naïve Mormons! We’ll call it MO-NAÏVE…no wait, too obvious…MONAVIE!”
Canace said: “Check out the “new feature” to MonaVie’s auto-ship program! It’s called Cascading Payment, and guarantees that should the distributor run out of cash in one account, MonaVie can still ream the distrbutor’s credit card or some other money source, automatically, every month!! Oh happy day!”
Oh brother! How swell of them to make it so convenient to be bled to death. I guess they couldn’t just come out and call it the “Give Us Everything You’ve Own” program.
I majored in biology at UCSB. My friends mom was selling this product. BOTTOM LINE: SCAM.
Candace said … Now why is it that I know more about MonaVie’s Policies and Procedures than a MonaVie distributor does? Hmmm?
Hmmm, not sure why you know so much more about Monavie’s policies and procedures than a Monavie distributor, but I don’t really give a crap about their policies and procedures, I’m not a Monavie distributor, so cool your jets, and maybe you should change your screen name to ‘Candassumption’.
We know more about eveything, not just just MVs P&Ps. And we can smell a dirty Monavie sock puppet a mile away.
Josh said: I majored in biology at UCSB. My friends mom was selling this product. BOTTOM LINE: SCAM.
Not sure what they’re teaching you over at this “UCSB” place, but the head sciencey guy at Monavie, who got his degree off a Cocoa Puffs box, says that the juice is a MIRACLE!
Ambitious Man,
On October 28, 2009, you said:
And on November 6, 2009 you said:
So, you tell us here that you’re not a distributor, and you claim to have no knowledge of MonaVie distributor policies and procedures (you’re just as well trained as the rest of the MonaVie snake-oil hustlers, I see) and yet you seem to know if someone is a distributor or not.
You’re either a raging liar, no surprise there, or you work for MonaVie corporate and are hiding behind that gigantic yellow stripe down the middle of your back. Can’t even man up enough to tell the truth about your affiliation with MonaVie.
Keep posting, you do more harm to MonaVie than any of us could ever do. No one wants to do “business” with a den of thieves nor a pit of vipers.
You MonaVie commenters are so predictable.
yawn
Ambitious Man,
Your lies are showing.
In this comment you admit you have a distributor ID number:
You need to find a pee-wee group to post to. You know, a small pond so you can stroke your ego and be the big fish. You are in way over your head on this blog site.
amateur!
This little gem about Monavie was posted in the Nevada Sagebrush this week by U of Nevada nutrition student Memo Sanchez. Smart kid!
http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2009/11/02/superjuice-acai-berry-sales-mere-marketing-schemes/
I’d like to suggest that we unofficially adopt Memo and give him a special Layman and Friends Educational Fund scholarship. He’s got a bright future.
“synergistic effect”
I like that.
Vogel, that’s the kind of thing I was thinking of writing for the home page of JuiceScam.com. However, I might not take that kind of tone (even though I enjoyed the idea). Instead, I hope to write up a few paragraphs on each of the businesses and link liberally into the post that explains the point I’m trying to make in more depth. I think I’m starting to get enough regular posts on JuiceScam to start doing that if time permits in the next couple of weeks. I think it will be a pretty convincing argument when it’s all put together.
Clearly a number of people are coming up with the same plan which is why there are so many juice scams out there.
Gloriously salubrious Memo Sanchez ROCKS! 8-)
This site is Full of Trolls its Funny!
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
Bob, who are the Trolls u speak of? Is it the Pro Mv guys, or the one posting facts that prove (by 3 different studies/tests) MV juice is the most over priced white grape juice around?????
New slogan…
“The only thing better than our juice….our testimonies”
@j-man
I think Bob’s effort is a supreme example of Q.E.D. in action!
Damn. I’ve been suckered in. Is that emotional?
Did We Say Free? Oops! We Really Meant…
After careful reconsideration, Monavie LLC has decided that they do in fact want that money after all…have a Happy New Year and pay up sucker!
http://monaviemediacenter.com/free-enrollment-ends-thursday-december-31-2009
i havent been able to read the entire 3000 or so post that are archived (sadly the outside world calls frantically) but i did notice a post where someone, i believe it was lazy, was wondering about whether monavie has sodium benzoate. i dont know if you have received information on that but in Canada we have different laws and let me tell you it shows up under non medicinal ingredients along with potassium sorbate as preservatives. those other fruits they talk about? they show up under Flavour base whatever that means. the only medicinal ingredients are acai puree and powder and acerola pulp. dont know if that helps but it also DOESNT show percentage of daily nutritional intake and even junk food has that here in Canada.
the sad truth is that junk food is marketed much more honestly than monavie. at least they arent claiming that a snickers bar will kill my hunger and my cancer.
A “friend” of mine tried to recruit me for this product, claiming it was the best thing to cure whatever ails you. I asked him to meet me the next night at the local high school track to go for a run…If I drop first, I will buy (after all, if Mona Vie is all that, I am sure he will go for miles. He then began to backpedal and tell my why he couldn’t (too old, too many injuries, moon in the wrong phase, etc)
Thi sis a load of snkae oil. Save your money.
Interesting information there Cornelius. I’ve often wondered about that, knowing that labeling requirements vary from country to country. If you ever get a chance, it would be great to get a jpeg or the details on the label.
I did ask Cornelius if he could sent me an image of the bottle.
candace scared away ambitious man… ha ha
MonaVie is not a scam as far as being illegal, but there are many other things that are misleading. For example, the main man Woodwards makes all his money off the training aids he sells. He is set to pocket $6 million this year in training info sales. Realistically, that is 99% of his income. All of the training material is copyrighted so that each new rep has to buy all of the stuff from Monavie. They also held a rally at a hockey arena recently out somewhere on the east coast. Each and every person (guests as well) were required to buy a $90 entry ticket. Do the math:
R means revenue
P means people in attendance
Therefore, R=(90)P
Total revenue for the event exceeded by more than 3x the revenue generated by any rock concert at that venue in the last 5 years. The point I’m getting at is that the Man At The Top is making his money by selling rally tickets to his reps.
Thanks for your time,
B
When I ask if MonaVie is a scam, it’s not a question of the legality of the product. (Though some say what they are doing is illegal, that’s a longer story than I want to get into here.) I’m asking if the consumer is getting value for his/her dollar or if they are being tricked into paying a lot of money for something that can be had for much cheaper. It’s not illegal to sell old Yugos for $50,000 either.
Although, aside from the legality issue, Bryce’s point was pretty accurate. All the dough that’s being made is from tools sales and event fees. That’s why the kingins are pocketing big bucks and that’s why the company can is making big revenue claims. The distributors don’t get to share a cent of it though. As for the legality, I’d say that there are at least a half dozen areas where Monavie and it’s distributors are breaking the law. Mostly would fall under the general categories of false advertising and prohibited disease claims about the product, and misleading claims about the business.
much is made on how great multilevel marketing is, but i would like to point out its end result. i dont know if anyone has remarked on the effects of exponential growth that mlms entail but here is a little example. suppose that i start selling a canadian version of lattimers Awesome pills that also prevent bear attacks. my market is limited to canada only(my homeland). canadas population is around 33.5 million. i start by recruiting 2 people and thats it. those 2 people will only recruit 2 each. every day the new guys recruit 2 people each and thats it. sounds simple right?
day one
ME
day 2
2 ppl recruited + me = 3 ppl in the mlm
day 3
4 ppl recruited + 3 already involved = 7 ppl
day 4
8 ppl recruited + 7 ppl = 15 ppl
day 5
16 ppl recruited + 15 = 31 ppl
day 6
32 + 31 = 63 ppl
day 7
64 + 63 = 127
day 8
128 + 127 = 255
day 9
256 + 255 = 511
day 10
512 + 511 = 1023
day 11
1024 + 1023 =2047
day 12
2048 + 2047 = 4095
day 13
4096 + 4095 = 8191
day 14
8192 + 8191 = 16383
day 15
16384 + 16383 = 32767
day 16
32768 + 32767 = 65535
day 17
65536 + 65535 = 131071
day 18
131072 + 131071 = 262143
day 19
262144 + 262143 = 524287
day 20
524288 + 524287 = 1048575
day 21
1048576 + 1048575 = 2097151
day 22
2097152 + 2097151 = 4194303
day 23
4194304 + 4194303 = 8,388,607
day 24
8,388,608 + 8,388,607 = 16,777,215
day 25
16,777,216 + 16,777,215 = 33,554,431
so you can see that in less than a month you have the entire population of canada recruited into the scheme and almost 17 million people at the bottom with no one to sell it to. pyramid schemes can make SOME people LOTS of money but is impossible to make MOST people ANY money. end of story.
Are you sure its 12 fruits? My friend’s friend also said its 19. It’s annoying to hear something so crazy as Monavie from her, and I think it’s possibly the same as Powerade, but a watered down waste of money. May I have more information?
@Nicole.
They’re all fruits, dear. Bad fruits.
I had an Innocent smoothie for two quid this week which lists 100 acai berries as one of it’s ingredients.
So? You ask.
Well that’s it… It was two quid. About the same as the real cost, processing and transport of the ingredients.
After being approached by a friend who is big into MV, I did a lot of research and found this:
1. It’s not the best juice out there. Vemma seems to be better overall (but just a pricey) but cheap old purple grape juice seems to have the best properties for cancer-fighting, etc.
2. It’s extremely high priced and doesn’t even come close to holding the health-to-value quality.
3. The people who make money in this do it by getting the line below them to autoship well over a $1000/ea of the product for self-use. There isn’t much repeat selling outside the team which makes it seem like a pyramid scheme.
My decision: It sounds like a business in which money can be made. However, I am not comfortable selling an inferior product for a outlandish price and trying to get MY friends to spend the money themselves and to talk others into doing the same so that I can line my pockets with somewhat dishonest money. I’m not a used car salesman and my ethics are too high to join. But I’m glad my friend is doing so well financially in the business. I just hope he is able to sleep well at night.
@ just looking,
No reason to disparage used car salesmen by putting them into the same category as MonaVie distributors.
@JustLooking
Someone has to sell used cars so nothing wrong with that.
At least (usually, if you know a smidgen about cars) you can SEE what you’re getting!
They’re not making out that the Toyota hatchback is actually a Rolls-Royce that drives like an F1 car!
They’ll say, “It’s Toyota hatchback. …er, do you want it?”