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Is Jeunesse a Scam?

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Back in 2008, I asked if MonaVie was a scam and with over 6500 comments from readers I came to the conclusion that MonaVie was a scam. Specifically, I showed that "MonaVie is a grossly overpriced product, with little nutritional value, wrapped in a poor business opportunity that appears to be illegal pyramid scheme, supported by nonsensical 'scientific' studies and illegal medical claims." In years of research it was one of the top 5 scams I've encountered.

As pyramid schemes are known to do, MonaVie collapsed as shown by Google Trends. At its peak it claimed to be doing a billion dollars a year in sales. A couple of months ago, they announced the "exciting news" that they have been bought by a company called Jeunesse Global. Except that like everything with MonaVie, they can't even sell themselves properly and a a judge may block the "FORECLOSURE" so that MonaVie employees can get value for their stock.

When your company is foreclosed upon it is hardly worth writing "exciting news" in a press release... especially if it leaves your employees with worthless stock.

The MonaVie article tops my blog with 6500+ comments.

However, comments on my blog about Jeunesse go back to 2012 and I now that I have had a few people email me asking about the company. It's time to review Jeunesse to see if it is a scam.

Jeunesse Products

I thought about doing some extensive research into the products, but in writing about the business (see below), I had almost 2000 words which is a considerable review.

Also, after reviewing dozens of MLM companies, I've found that in EVERY case the products are vastly overpriced and the distributors claim that it is because they are of superior quality. The attempt is to push the discussion towards a subjective quality discussion rather than address that pricing is reflective of the admission ticket to the "business opportunity/pyramid scheme."

This is why you don't see any MLM television companies. It's almost always "lotions and potions." And of course Jeunesse is no different. And of course the FTC used warn of MLMs using lotions and potions (PDF). They've broadened the writing now to cover other MLMs, but it is telling that Jeunesse is another "lotions and potions" MLM.

At some point I could see spending more time on the products themselves, but after Nerium and Rodan and Fields, I have little interest in looking to skin creams. It's too easy for distributors to Photoshop before and after pictures and say, "See... it works!"

I could spend more time on their AM and PM pills. Their Telomere Maintenance Complex and Stem Cell Maintenance Complex is laughable.

Jeunesse Finiti is much more interesting with the TA-65 that I've seen distributors marketing. Look at all the warnings on the on the WikiPedia page for it. And Nature has an article where experts say that it isn't tested. Also, there's the evidence it evidence it has been linked to cancer.

This is all stuff I could find in just a few minutes looking at TA-65. In the future, maybe I'll spend a couple of hours and expand this section.

The Business of Jeunesse

A lot of people ask me about the business of a particular MLM. In most cases the answer isn't particularly quick. In this case, there is pretty obvious, irrefutable evidence that Jeunesse is a scam. The majority of comes from the secret backroom deals. After that I'll comment more on Jeunesse's compensation plan.

Secret Backroom Deals for the People at the Top

The office of lawyer Thompson Burton, who typically works for MLM companies, is actually suing Jeunesse on behalf of its client.

While that link only presents one side of the story, you can clearly see that Jeunesse's Darren Jensen engaged in providing at least one special undocumented deal for high-level distributor Matt Nestler. These secret deals to bring over high-level distributors and their downlines creates a misrepresentation of the business. These people are held up as success stories in that MLM for new distributors to see as examples. However, they are given preferential spots at the top instead of doing the work of a new distributor. I've never this described in any MLM compensation plan.

The dispute between Nestler and Jeunesse reached the level where the police had to be brought in. BehindMLM suggests, and I agree, that it looks like Jeunesse set up Nestler to take his lucrative downline, especially because he passed the polygraph tests.

Combine the secret, favoritism deals and the shenanigans of murder accusations and potentially stealing a distributor's business and I'd want nothing to do with Jeunesse.

The Jeunesse Compensation Plan

I found this 4 minute video on the Jeunesse Compensation plan:

The actual compensation is actually much more complex with bonuses for top earners and the need to understand terms like Commissionable Volume (CV) and Personal Volume. And don't get me started on Group Volume and Personal Group Volume.

When you've seen the number of MLM compensation plans that I have, you get an idea for when things don't add up. For example, the video says that you don't earn any money until you recruit people on the left and the right. This seems like a good time to bring up the The FBI's definition of a pyramid scheme:

More specifically, pyramid schemes—also referred to as franchise fraud or chain referral schemes—are marketing and investment frauds in which an individual is offered a distributorship or franchise to market a particular product. The real profit is earned, not by the sale of the product, but by the sale of new distributorships. Emphasis on selling franchises rather than the product eventually leads to a point where the supply of potential investors is exhausted and the pyramid collapses. At the heart of each pyramid scheme is typically a representation that new participants can recoup their original investments by inducing two or more prospects to make the same investment. Promoters fail to tell prospective participants that this is mathematically impossible for everyone to do, since some participants drop out, while others recoup their original investments and then drop out.

In this case, recruiting two people doesn't recoup your investment. You need to get 600CV on one side and 300CV on the other to earn a measly $35. I found an interesting PDF chart of prices and CVs from what appears to be one distributor. It seems like to earn 200 CV you have to get someone else to be spending around $300 on "autoshipped" product every month. So if you get 600 of that ($900 every month) on one side and 400 of that ($600 every month) on the other side, you get $35. So if you balance everything well and you get people to spend ~$1500 every month, you can get $35. As best I can tell, that $35 isn't even enough to pay for your own qualification to earn commissions.

It's worth noting that I've seen every presentation points out that you can earn 750 of these $35 cycles every week or $26,250 a week. However earning a single $35 "cycle" appears to be extraordinarily difficult from the math above. Do this extraordinarily difficult thing 750 times each week and you can make a boatload of money. They may point out that some people actually do it, but they'd be ignoring the fact that they are at the top and essentially get to start out with it already done for them (see the secret backroom deals listed above).

The point is that these presentations go out of their way to sell high numbers such as $26,250 a week or even $105,000 a month. Such as this one:

These presentations appear to be breaking the FTC guidelines of endorsements, by stressing "what's possible" instead of "what's typical" and they don't have the necessarily disclaimers.

Is the Jeunesse Compensation a Pyramid Scheme?

That's a great question. I gave you the FBI definition above. Given that alone, I would say it does appear to be a pyramid scheme.

However, the FTC has it's own MLM/pyramid scheme guidelines which have some overlap:

"Not all multilevel marketing plans are legitimate. If the money you make is based on your sales to the public, it may be a legitimate multilevel marketing plan. If the money you make is based on the number of people you recruit and your sales to them, it’s not. It’s a pyramid scheme. Pyramid schemes are illegal, and the vast majority of participants lose money... Avoid any plan where the reward for recruiting new distributors is more than it is for selling products to the public. That’s a time-tested and traditional tip-off to a pyramid scheme... One sign of a pyramid scheme is if distributors sell more product to other distributors than to the public — or if they make more money from recruiting than they do from selling."

When I watch those videos about the Jeunesse compensation plan, they spend all the time explaining about how you recruit people to the left or right, only briefly mentioning selling product if at all. It seems clear to me they are pushing you towards recruiting (bad) and not selling to the public (good). It doesn't seem like they should be mentioning earning $25,000+ per week in commissions from a downline. In order for that independent distributorship to be legitimate and not a pyramid scheme, someone earning that would have to be working extremely hard to earn more than that through sales to the public (according to the FTC guidelines above).

For me, the FBI and the FTC words are enough, but I like this video which gives a little more detail about pyramid schemes:

I'm not sure what else needs to be said on the topic.

Quick Takes on Jeunesse

Here are some random things that I found that I thought were interesting. It's a potpourri of information.

Jeunesse Executive Team

This is kind of a bonus section because I thought it was odd/funny.

The Jeunesse website makes a point to highlight their Executive Team. I found it interesting that after the CEO and COO they put the CLO and CVO. These people are ahead of the CFO, the Chief Financial Officer. Go ahead and search Google for CLO and CVO. I'll wait. Didn't find Chief Legal Officer or Chief Visionary Officer did you? Me either. Feel free to insert your own lawyer joke, but it's hard to believe that they'd put CLO (or CVO for that matter) that high up on the totem pole.

What about Jeunesse and the Inc. Magazine 5000?

I think it was just two weeks ago that I explained this in my Plexus article and that built on the research I did when MonaVie was in the Inc. Magazine’s 500. As covered above, that wasn't a sign of success. In fact, the company declined soon after getting the ranking.

In the world of MLM companies often "pop and drop." At the start, they hype everything and people believe it is going to be the next big thing and rush to jump on board as its growing. However, once it becomes clear that each person would have to recruit many, many other people to make any significant money... and can't recruit them... it drops.

So MLM companies can make the Inc. Magazine 5000 which measures revenue growth, but they don't sustain it. It doesn't stop them putting a badge on their website though... as if to say, "Hey we are legit!"

The reality is that Inc. Magazine wrote about how bad MLM is back in 1998.

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82 Responses to “Is Jeunesse a Scam?”

  1. Jude says:

    My friend, who is fired up about Monavie, is now extra fired up about Jeunesse. And here I thought that Monavie was the greatest ever…ha ha….Lets see what company fires them up next year.

  2. Jude says:

    I’m so sick and tired of seeing stuff and Jeunesse on my Facebook News Feed. Trying to bring more people in. And, if you don’t listen to them or do what they recommend then, you aren’t serious about your life and your “potential”.

  3. Chrystal Ann says:

    I’ve even seen distributors posting ads on real spa Facebook posts, very nervy to try to compete with licensed pros.

  4. Shauney F says:

    It seems his review his fairly lopsided to say the least. He is not revealing ALL of the facts of Jeunesse. I would be very careful believing all his statements. Knowing both sides to this subject that Lazyman gives definitely makes him a “lazy man” because he did NOT give ALL the facts about the financial plan of Jeunesse. So I am telling all readers of any reviews on any product or company remember this, either side will always try to sway you to what they believe even tho it may not be the complete truth. You research yourself and be comfortable in what you come to believe!!!

    • Lazy Man says:

      “Shauney F”,

      What relevant “facts” did I leave out? I’ve covered dozens of MLMs/pyramid schemes over the last decade.

      If you are thinking about this, spend a minute to “follow the money.” If there’s a person recruiting you, you probably want to run away. I never ask you to spend any money.

  5. Shauney F says:

    There is more to the financial plan of Jeunesse. You left out quite a bit! I do agree partially on the fact that a lot of MLM’s make the “Upper” levels rich. But I have learned in life that in whatever you do you make it what it is. In most MLM’s one Out of maybe 20 people will make a go at it only because they have the drive. Others sign up thinking that maybe they can make some money. I have been in a few MLM’s and the products were good products but people always prioritize whether or not they “need” them. That is a big factor for most people. Jeunesse does have good products and the Instantly Ageless is the #1 MLM product EVER. I have researched other skin care products and most of the MLM skin care company’s products are mostly chemicals. Jeunesse is not. I have researched in depth this company and others. The only way they would be a scam is if they did not have products to offer. That makes any MLM illegal. I think you are just a Naysayer of MLM’s to put it bluntly and you don’t like them. Your reviews are NOT neutral. And I would tell anyone to beware of a review that is one sided. I don’t have a person recruiting me. The $35 bonus you refer to in Jeunesse’s financial plan for their distributors is not the only way to make money with this company. There is also the wholesale/ retail income, bonuses for signing up other distributors, When someone buys retail off of your website, you get paid from that….shall I go on?
    I think if you are going to post reviews about anything you should be able to “report on it all” not just your opinion of it. You know what they say about opinions!

  6. Shauney F says:

    so i see you did not post my last response. MMMM? So one question…. Is there ANY MLM company you would recommend????

  7. Chrystal Ann says:

    Found a very interesting comment on a review page: “Ok everyone…. These types of products have a main ingredient of sodium silicate…. The same thing in the little moisture absorbant packages in shoe boxes that says do not eat. I originally saw this as Lechlers Theatrical Makeup Wrinkle Remover 25 years ago when I entered into the Pro Makeup Realm. Lechler is a paint manufacturer(very good co)and this is an ingredient regularly used in making paint. Silicate is non toxic and inert. The product does work! The problem is it does so by dehydrating the skin. Modern formulations have added different ingredients to soften the harsh effect but none the less the main ingredient is still the silicate. The product creates a temporary effect good until you wash your face. I would use this product, it does work, but only for very special events and i would make sure to heavily hydrate the skin after use with a strong moisturizer as well as remaining hydrated(drink water) while you are wearing it. My concern is that the cumulative effect would be to worsen the condition of the skin with regular or long term use as.” It isn’t cheap so why not spend your money with a dermatologist that has the latest products and a license to protect. The “distributor” has nothing to lose. I researched this company and won’t be spending a dime.

  8. Jo says:

    Hi there,

    ref: “So if you balance everything well and you get people to spend ~$1500 every month, you can get $35.”

    I think you’ve left out: If I were to get the 900 points (300/600); my upline would get 900pts as well, as well as his upline and his upline’s upline etc (all 900). Not 300/600 but 0/900 depends on which team are you on.
    So I wouldn’t agree with your statement.
    Do more extensive research maybe?

    Best regards;

    • Lazy Man says:

      Why would I care about the points my upline gets? That certainly be a deciding factor in whether you start a business.

      The only defensible reason to care is that you are looking to building a pyramid scheme of recruiting people and hoping that they buy into your tale of “just recruit more people” so you can be in the upline.

      You are free to disagree with my statement, but it appears to be completely accurate. You don’t say it is inaccurate.

      Do more extensive research on what a pyramid scheme is maybe?

  9. KD says:

    TO: Shauney F,

    You said that in most mlm’s, 1 out of every 20 people make it, only because they have the drive. Could it be that 99% of people don’t make it because they are trying to sell overpriced products that no one wants to buy? How come everyone that approaches me about their mlm business, always brings up the business opportunity first? They never talk about the products. So if the products are so good, then why don’t mlm companies focus on actually selling the products, instead of selling an opportunity? Maybe it’s because they wouldn’t make much money if they only sold products? Therefore, they end up focusing on “recruiting, recruiting, recruiting.”

  10. Brittany says:

    I actually went and watched a presentation on the Jeunesse opportunity last week. Your article hit the nail on the head! The representative had been with MonaVie before it got bought by Jeunesse. The biggest red flag for me at the presentation was he was telling us about all these great products but not actually trying to sell any of the products. His agenda was telling us all about how we could “buy into” the Ambassador level and sponsor “6 people on your left and 6 people on your right” (wait…is that a pyramid shape? LOL!) and how we would earn $35 a cycle, “which adds up to a lot of money when you have 200 cycles being completed routinely. He talked really fast in the hopes you wouldn’t catch everything he said or wouldn’t comprehend enough of it to ask questions.

  11. Jules says:

    And the plot thickens again.
    Alex Morton leaves Vemma for Jeunesse! It’s all so amuzing, they are so simple.
    Bob Proctor makes a hasty video condemming Alex and Luke Kish for disrespecting BK Boreyko. Proctor then took the video down because he compared Alex’s actions to the Pearl Harbour’s tragedy. Really funny stuff.

  12. KD says:

    I know! It’s very sad that people can’t see through the non-sense of the mlm industry. The Alex Morton situation is a perfect example. It just boggles my mind that people buy into the cult like mentality of these companies.

  13. Rebecca says:

    Just wanted to point out that everything in life is a pyramid!
    You only have to look at your family tree or the running of a company or the country. There is always one at the top and, in business, it’s the one at the top who earns most money.
    So I don’t understand why people always go on about pyramid schemes and mis crying the idea.
    As in any business, there are ups and downs and without continued work, nothing will happen.
    There’s no such thing as a free meal in life!

  14. Vogel says:

    Rebecca said: “Just wanted to point out that everything in life is a pyramid!”

    Um…so is a sphere a pyramid? How about a cube?

    I guess when all you’re armed with is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

  15. Dave B says:

    I started receiving charges on my credit card for over $300 and $400 recently. The problem being is that I have never heard of this company. Now they are putting false charges on people’s credit cards. Definitely a SCAM!

    • Lazy Man says:

      Dave B, I’d call my attorneys general office and report it immediately. I’d also dispute the charge with the credit card company.

  16. LNG says:

    I was Head of Marketing, Branding and Advertising in my previous company, and would never touch anything MLM, until I saw how well the products worked on many friends who were’t sellers, just consumers and raved about the products’ health benefits (cancer cases inclusive) and the visible improvement in their skin within weeks, next I thought no harm trying a product that I’ve seen that actually works since I’ve tried everything and many renowned brands and even went to the Derm for expensive lasers for my skin and nothing. Within 2 weeks my skin improved dramatically and I went back to show my Derm – it wasn’t just my face that was now smooth and soft and no longer dry and blemished (even after washing off the product the skin still feels incredible like my toddler’s). My entire body with my once scaly legs is now “normal” and my eczema went away in days. I haven’t had a migraine in weeks and seem to be immune to colds and flus since being on Reserve. All I did was share my experiences with my friends and family cos I was really amazed and in 6 weeks I made about USD11,000. So from a first hand experience from a skeptic who was biased against MLMs, and as an experienced marketer, I recognize MLM to be a form of marketing except that instead of paying media companies tons of money from an advertising budget carved out from forecasted profits, MLMs pay the walking salesmen the advertising fees instead, which really is fair as word of mouth is more credible. At the end of the day, the products work incredibly well and many people, even real doctors have testimonials of their own family recovering from terminal illness while on Reserve. Oh as for the USD35? You only spend USD86 a month to maintain your account monthly which equals to a box of Reserve of which its benefits is really something (my teenage daughter’s acne-ridden scarred skin that was causing her grief is now so much better and she has been described as glowing and radient) then you sit back and marvel in wonder each time someone buys something (only cos it works) and you see multitudes of USD35 cycle bonuses in your account on a daily basis. Wealth is about having time with money, which can only be achieved with passive income. Not such a bad concept now that I have the time to do my charity work everyday and never have to ever see the inside of an office again. Plus there other ways to make money such as the retail profit, the referral commission, the leadership bonuses that even at my low level down the chain gets…I have to say, I’m one happy ex head of marketing, branding and advertising EMPLOYEE.

    • Lazy Man says:

      Hey LNG,

      Good anonymous comment so that we can’t verify your story as being truthful in anyway. (Before anyone gets on me for anonymous, I cite my sources, LNG cited nothing.)

      If MLMs want to pay salesmen commission for selling product, I’ve got no problem with it. That’s fine instead of paying for alternative forms of advertisements. However, they NEED to get rid of the MLM/pyramid structure for recruiting people. Just make it free and give everyone x% of sales they make. It’s very easy, and thousands of companies do this. It’s called affiliate marketing.

      Pay to play, pyramid schemes are very, very different.

      I could go on, but fortunately Jon Stewart did my work last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqmtjlSxA_g

      “Bullshitters have gotten pretty lazy… and their word is easily detected. And looking for it is kind of a pleasant way to pass the time. Like an ‘I Spy Game of Bullshit.’ So I say to you tonight, friends. The best defense bullshit is vigilance. If you smell something say something.”

      I’ve been covering MLMs now for 9 years and NOTHING comes close to the amount of bullshit in it. They use all the concepts that Jon Stewart mentioned in that speech and a whole lot more.

      If you want to do charity work, start by educating the public to stay away from MLMs/pyramid schemes where 99.5% of people lose money.

  17. Vogel says:

    LNG said: “I…would never touch anything MLM, until I saw how well the products worked on many friends who were’t sellers, just consumers and raved about the products’ health benefits (cancer cases inclusive)…I recognize MLM to be a form of marketing except that instead of paying media companies tons of money from an advertising budget carved out from forecasted profits MLMs pay the walking salesmen the advertising fees instead, which really is fair as word of mouth is more credible.”

    I think what you really meant to say was the following:

    “I recognize MLM to be a form of marketing except that instead of paying media companies tons of money from an advertising budget carved out from forecasted profits, MLMs pay desperate a$$holes like me to troll message boards with nonsense about how craptastic pyramid scheme snakeoil products cure cancer.”

  18. KD says:

    Hey LNG,

    Are you trying to say that out of the thousands of skin care products on the market, that Jeunesse is the only company that has worked for you? I find that hard to believe. Keep believing the snake oil lies that the MLM’s tell you.

  19. KD says:

    It still just boggles my mind how much of a cult these mlm’s are. Jeunesse is not different. I see these mlm people post on FB all the time. They say things like, “We don’t sell products, we just share.” Or they love to put down people who work a regular job or own a regular business. They will also say things like “Your 9-5 job is a pyramid and you are working to make others rich.” SMH. I just don’t get how people can be so brainwashed. It’s very sad.

  20. KD says:

    I appreciate you writing these articles! I also like the fact that when you google “Jeunesse scam” it brings up your website as the top match.

  21. Michelle says:

    I have had no previous experience in MLM’s, my parents “done” Amway & kept us broke buying overpriced products from theirselves so I’ve steered clear. I joined Jeunesse for the retail profit in Instantly Ageless (didn’t even know they had other products, nor did I know about a compensation plan). Instantly Ageless really does exactly like in the video, crazy! I made over $500 the first month. After about 2 months, I signed a plastic surgeon who said it was incredible & he hadn’t seen anything like it before. At that point, I decided to learn more about the company & found stories about Reserve. Here’s mine…..
    I’ve had back/neck pain for 3-4 years. Mondays & mornings have been the worst for me. It’s been at least a year & a half since I could stand in one spot in the mornings without excruciating pain in my lower back, have even been sitting to put my makeup on. For the last year, I’ve been seeing a dr/chiropractor weekly, getting shots in my back & on meds. The day before I started taking Reserve, a 4 hour car drive had me crying from neck pain. So, here’s my time line that I’ve been updating from when I started taking it….

    • 2 days on Reserve, a very persistent knot in my neck reduced by half its size even though it hadn’t changed in the last 6 mo under dr’s care.

    • 2 weeks – drove 6 hours, rode a few roller coasters & drove home without a flare up.

    • 4 weeks – over 40 hours to/from Florida without flare up & started taking AM/PM & Finiti.

    • 6 weeks – was able to stand in the morning without pain in my lower back!!! HUGE milestone!!!!

    •11 weeks – couldn’t seem to get on top of my neck inflammation, started taking 3 Reserve a day for a week.

    •12 weeks – dr. was amazed at the the improvement in just a week & my range of motion, was able to touch my chin to my chest for the 1st time in 3 years. He insisted I take 3 a day for one more week.

    •13 weeks – first time I only felt pressure in the areas that usually cause pain. My doctor is dumbfounded, literally.

    •14 weeks – woke up with no pain what so ever, took NO meds at all the whole day!!! First day in over a year to go pain free!!!

    While taking it, I’ve also been able to stop taking blood pressure medication & my carpal tunnel is completely gone .My doctor got my blood work back to be able to compare before I started taking all of this to being on it for 2 months. My immune system is way up! He’s amazed at the difference in my inflamation & that the knots he hadn’t been able to get to go down, at all, are now completely gone.

    I have learned now, if it’s at all possible to take the 1st box at 3 a day, it just speeds up how quickly it gets in your system. Even now, if my neck is feeling like it’s trying to flare up, I’ll take 3 a day for a day or 2 & it stops me from taking a trip to the dr for shots.

    I honestly haven’t sold any at retail price, only my price & I make nothing from selling it at my cost. My husband & I haven’t & don’t want to make money with Reserve. We want to help others ease their pain.

    Yes there are people that push the business side. There are people like that in every single business that there’s money to be made in. Be realistic.

    You can pay $49.95 to get product at distributor cost & a free retail website. If you just want to make money selling retail, you don’t ever have to sign up a single person to make money. Last time I checked, it wasn’t to hard to recoup $50, was able to do that in a week.

    These products, my favorite being Reserve really do change lives & there are lots of people that really do just want to show others the same thing I’ve learned, I don’t have to live with pain & accept shots in my back, weekly appointments & meds as a way of life. It can be different.

    There are countless ads on Facebook that are using videos from Instantly Ageless, Dr. Oz & Ellen’s name to sell a crap product based on a “free” trial & the small print, of course, says you’re giving them permission to charge your card $89-$179 in the first 14 days & continue doing so if you don’t catch them & cancel your card. These are not Jeunesse ads. And there’s no “real” reports of Jeunesse taking money out of people’s accounts.
    Lazy man, if the truth is enough to condemn something, why participate & encourage in the exaggeration of the company? Be honest about what it is & what it’s not. Don’t leave out information to perpetuate a misinformed opinion of it. And also don’t be closed minded & loudly opinionated. God gave us 2 ears & one mouth for a reason.

  22. Michelle says:

    After reading over my comment, I apologize for sounding so Bost at the end. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion & Hannas down know more about MLM’s & pyramid schemes than I ever care to know.
    I only know my experience which isn’t at all like described in your article. And I agree wholeheartedly that there are snakes in the company; they’re in every company!

  23. Michelle says:

    Wow, trying that again…..After reading over my comment, I apologize for sounding so bossy at the end. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion & hands down know more about MLM’s & pyramid schemes than I ever care to know. I only know my experience which isn’t at all like described in your article. And I agree wholeheartedly that there are snakes in the company; they’re in every company!

    • Lazy Man says:


      I’ve reviewed a couple dozen MLMs in extreme detail at this point (you can see some on the sidebar of the website). In all the health ones, there are numerous “testimonials” that the product cured this condition or that condition. One of them (Asea) is literally salt water.

      I’ve done all the listening, but the story is the same.

      So either there are 50 miracle cures that exist in the world and they all coincidentally are sold via MLM… or these people are lying, experiencing the placebo effect, or just like the people who claim to be abducted by aliens (experiencing cognitive dissonance). In fact Dr. Bowden wrote an article about it

      I have not left out any information that I feel relevant and I’ve been more than open-minded. Before you call someone close-minded, you might want to learn what it means by watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

  24. Ryan says:

    Hi ! I’m a 17 year old and i have questions.

    Is this a review, an argument or an opinion ?

    Why is it so negative and not neutral ?

    What MLM companies do you recommend ?

    What systems do big companies like apple and coke using ?

    Do you consider both sides of the coin before you type these reviews, arguments or opinions ?

    If you don’t recommend MLM to a young person like me, then what should i do to help me gain this “financial freedom” that every MLM is talking about ?

  25. Notta Hamman Egger says:

    ???????????? S’up Bro?????????

  26. Simon says:

    The biggest Pyramid scheme in life is being an employee!!

  27. Jen says:

    This entire comment thread is interesting. I agree with Lazy Man.I found the page because one of my friends has just signed up to become a distributor. I knew it sounded suspicious so I started googling.

    Here’s my question: If this product…or Nerium…and any other miracle skin cream is so effective, then why isn’t it being sold at makeup counters and/or in dermatologist offices? Why rely on MLM?

    I teach Business class at a college and I’ve worked in sales and marketing. If you have a great product then you will protect your brand. You don’t want your product represented by minimally trained people.

  28. Curious says:

    Hi Lazy Man,

    After read your comment. I am curious whether you have try or buy any MLM products before? Is MLM products no good?

    • Lazy Man says:

      I think my wife has some Pampered Chef pots and pans around here. Whatever they are, they seem to work like normal pots and pans. I wouldn’t say they are no good.

  29. chabelli castillo says:

    Thank you all for your interesting reviews. Im 20 years old just looking for way to earn more. I just had a long chat with a person who is partnered with jeunesse and i needed to clear my mind a bit and think this through. I admit i dont know much about business but i find it a bit odd how they focus on adding team members more than selling the products .

  30. Happy says:

    Jeunesse products used and also sold by: private clinics, beauty salons-boutiques-shops, makeupartists.
    People who use: skin doctors, fitness centres, coaches, models, famous people.
    Availible: 120+ country worldwide officially.
    Media cover: Famous magazines like: Cosmopolitan, Vogue etc.(up to 100 different worldwide magazines) featuring in many tv shows worldwide.

    Good videos, products with results and fun. I got offered not a business in the first like u all talking about. I got a skin serum and it worked and i bought more. =P

    To LazyMan: How much u make money with this forums ?

    • Lazy Man says:

      Which reputable skin doctors are recommending Jeunesse?

      I’m not impressed by makeup artists and famous people. My blog has been covered by more reputable publications that Cosmo.

      All the same could be said of MonaVie, ViSalus, and Vemma. Look where they are now.

      I don’t make any money on any forums.

  31. Shari Bigalk says:

    I read these comments with interest. Please allow me to share some insight as a successful Jeunesse Distributor. This isn’t my first company, although I have never been as successful as with Jeunesse and no, I am not at the “top of the pyramid” and I never will be. But then again, the cashier at WalMart will never make as much as the Manager who will never make as much as the CEO, it’s a pyramid scheme. Kind of like grocery stores, Gas stations, retail stores, newspapers, insurance companies, our military and even our government. The guys at the bottom will never make as much as the guys at the top……… But wait! Something is wrong here!!! Because I am making a LOT more than many of the people above me in this “pyramid! Whoops! Now how is that possible?? As for the points, they are only one part of our compensation plan, that being the binary side, there is also a unilevel side. This is a non-flushing hybrid binary with a unilevel matching bonus structure built in. The points matter to anyone to enrolls someone. They also matter because they are not just your volume, but the volume of all those you enroll as well as all those enrolled after you by your upline as well as everyone in between you and your upline. It doesn’t take long to get 300 points on one side and 600 on the other when you work with the right team. I will tell you that while the products have made a HUGE difference in my life, the opportunity has changed my world which is why I promote it. After a very bad accident, I spent 15 years on SSI disability. When the products helped me recover, I petitioned to be removed from disability, but guess what! No one would hire me! I started working this business and I now make more in 2 weeks than I did all year on disability. Network Marketing, IF you choose a company with a good product and good compensation plan, is the best industry out there! Why? Because it creates a level playing field! It doesn’t matter, your experience, your education, race, religion, political affiliations or criminal background. If you roll up your sleeves and go to work with the right team, you will succeed! Now define success. For some, that’s an extra $500 per month, a bigger house, for some it’s a “new” used car. Jeunesse is the fastest growing network marketing company in the world and in history and that is because our products are incredible and our compensation plan works. Does that mean everyone succeeds? Nope. Why? There are a few reasons. They didn’t talk to anyone about the product or the opportunity, they joined under someone who didn’t work with them, they joined the wrong company, or a variety of other reasons. Kind of like why some people get promoted and others don’t. But again, you have to join the right company, so really do yuor homework. I love this industry and yes, there are definitely some scams out there. There are also people within every company who are less than ethical and Jeunesse is no exception in it’s distributor base. But joining a network marketing company is a business decision, you shouldn’t do it because someone drew impressive circles on a white board. Joining the right team is critical unless you want to do all the work by yourself. But at the end of the day, Jeunesse would not be where it is in 125 countries and counting, if it was a “scam”.

  32. Blown Away says:

    It is not a scam in the traditional sense. It is far worse. In Thailand, it has become a cult of personality. I attended a meeting with my partner having no idea what I was going to. As I walked in the room and was cheered and high fives by about 30 people, it reminded me of my days in a Pentecostal church back in Australia. The hype was ridiculous. Everything was there along with a cult like reverence for their leader and numerous testimonials about how Jeunesse had saved my life etc etc. after watching the penultimate video in which an extremely wealthy woman was shown to proclaim “I believe in Jeunesse” I had to walk out. The heads of the organisation are the beneficiaries. The multitudes leave their brains at the door and hand over their cash. I feel sorry for them.

  33. Blown Away says:

    I would add to this comment that from what I have seen of the business model and the pseudo-religious high pressure selling tactics built around reverence for a few characters of questionable integrity, I can see a business built around making the few (mostly already rich) much richer whilst delivering little or no benefit to the masses whose money fuels the organisation. A classic cult. Morally bankrupt and driven by greed at every level.

  34. Lazy Man says:

    Shari Bigalk,

    You confuse a hierarchical organization, which doesn’t have a significant recruiting component to make money, with a pyramid scheme, which does. They are two very different things and MLMers mislead people into thinking they are the same.

    Please understand that Corporate America is Not a Pyramid Scheme. A software engineer at Google makes a lot of money and doesn’t ever have the intention of recruiting anyone and making money in that endeavor.

    Shari said, “Because I am making a LOT more than many of the people above me in this ‘pyramid’! Whoops! Now how is that possible??”

    This does happen in pyramid schemes. It’s pretty rare and usually not a whole lot more money, but it can happen. In fact, in the FTC guidelines on pyramid schemes, you’ll see nothing about “can’t make more money than the person above you.” So I suggest you familiarize yourself with that document.

    Shari said, “It doesn’t take long to get 300 points on one side and 600 on the other when you work with the right team.”

    By “team” you mean “pyramid”, right? They are synonymous in pyramid schemes.

    Shari said, “Network Marketing, IF you choose a company with a good product and good compensation plan, is the best industry out there!”

    Quite the opposite – around 99.5% of people lose money. I made more in my first hour of dog sitting than most MLMers will ever make. Also there’s this: The Business of MLM (or What Gives Freddy Krueger Nightmares)

    Shari said, “Why? Because it creates a level playing field! It doesn’t matter, your experience, your education, race, religion, political affiliations or criminal background.”

    Clearly education doesn’t seem to be a factor because MLMers aren’t trained to know that they are in a pyramid scheme. As for race, religion, and political affiliations, they shouldn’t matter in any business. That’s discrimination. MLM should probably focus on the criminal background aspect a lot more than they do. They are known for passing around the same snake oil salesmen from MLM to MLM and it’s hard to say that’s a good thing.

    Shari said, “If you roll up your sleeves and go to work with the right team, you will succeed!”

    Nope It’s Not a Matter of Effort, failure is a Mathematical Certainty.

    Shari said, “Jeunesse is the fastest growing network marketing company in the world and in history and that is because our products are incredible and our compensation plan works.”

    From what I can tell MonaVie and ViSalus grew much faster. They are essentially out of business after the pyramid scheme collapsed on them.

    Shari said, “Does that mean everyone succeeds? Nope. Why? There are a few reasons.”

    The only reason that matters: mathematically they must fail.

    Shari said, “But at the end of the day, Jeunesse would not be where it is in 125 countries and counting, if it was a ‘scam’.”

    And yet Herbalife finds itself in the same situation. It is in a ton of countries and just about every regulatory agency in the United States is looking into it for being a pyramid scheme. You’ve followed the news on that right?

  35. Moon says:

    Lazy Man, you would not say Jeunesse is a scam after you tried the reserve for 6 months, I feel sorry for your mind still living in 20 century, my mom and my friend’s cousin recovered from cancer by Jeunesse products . You should look more into their product before comment on it.

    • Lazy Man says:

      Please don’t give me the Try My MLM Product Scam.

      There are dozens of MLM companies whose distributors illegally claim their products work for cancer over the last ten years. If any of them worked, the companies would quickly rush to get the clinical trials done to show the FDA that they have a cancer medication. None of the dozens of MLM companies have even tried.

      As doctors and researchers have published, No Your MLM Product Does Not Work.

      I’m sorry your mind is stuck in 1980’s when people didn’t have the access to research MLM scams.

  36. Vogel says:

    Moon said: “my mom and my friend’s cousin recovered from cancer by Jeunesse products”

    And there you have it in a nutshell — the danger of snakeoil MLMs like Jeunesse demonstrated vividly by a distributor who has no compunction about killing cancer patients with illegal claims about bogus cures.

    In other words, your claim is not merely BS; it’s extremely dangerous self-serving BS.

  37. Thomas Johnson says:

    My sister is one of the suckers flogging the Jeunesse ‘business opportunity’ to everyone in the family and everyone on Facebook. She gave me a box of ‘Reserve’ for Christmas. I read the ingredients on the box. It says one packet contains 37.5MG of Knotweed (20% Resveratrol). This equates to precisely 7.5MB of Resveratrol per packet, yet their corporate website claims the product delivers 75MG of resveratrol per packet, and their ‘distributors’ are all claiming it delivers 187MG per packet when I ask! They even produce a shady-looking ‘lab document’ which says 187MG per 30ML (1 packet). Who’s on 1st, what’s on 2nd and I don’t know’s on 3rd (lol) It’s like Keystone Kops – Nobody knows what is in their own ‘amazing’ ‘wonderful’ ‘cutting-edge science’ product…which they are trying to sell to anyone who will listen.

    I see literally HOURS of ‘training’ videos on YouTube for Jeunesse, but sadly none of them contain any training on the products. It’s ALL training on how to recruit people. No wonder nobody knows anything about the products. The products don’t matter to them. All they care about is signing more people up. Jeunesse Global is CLEARLY a pyramid scheme. It’s just a matter of time before they get caught by authorities.

  38. Thomas Johnson says:

    To Happy:

    Happy, every single one of the ‘appearances’ in those magazines, INCLUDING Inc 500, were advertisements disguised as articles. Those appearances were PURCHASED by Jeunesse Global; paid advertisements. The little disclaimer you see on each (i.e. ‘Branded Content’) is your red-flag.

    You’re either a fraudster yourself, or you’re a victim of the deception perpetrated. Methinks you’re the latter, as are most people. Most people are innocent, but very gullible and misguided. Sorry.

  39. James Lee says:

    The MLM company you are speaking about on this site peaked my interest about 18 months ago. This MLM has had explosive growth in the Asia markets and particularly in China where 10’s of thousands have been recruited. I work in China and live in the USA. I was approached by a Chinese friend about this wonderful MLM opportunity. As I said I do business in China so I am somewhat familiar with the rules of conducting business in China and a particular area of interest to me is the Direct Marketing area which the MLM companies fall under. It is very clear in the governing rules in China that MLM Is not allowed.

    To be a direct marketer in China you must be licensed and few licenses have been granted, there are some for many American companies the rules also require some retail stores. But again the rules clearly indicate no MLM allowed.

    So I asked the people that were attempting to recruit me to this MLM.

    First question I asked is if they are not licensed to conduct direct marketing in China how can they do it? The answer came from a group of people who had just signed up with this MLM. They said: simple, we are independent contractors for this MLM and we don’t technically sell it in China we order the product from Hong Kong and have it exported to mainland China. The money is paid to an account in Hong Kong and then the product is shipped three weeks later. So technically there is no transaction in China.

    Second question, so how if the transaction is done in Hong Kong are you paid? Oh they said the MLM has been very creative and has set up accounts with HSBC bank in Hong Kong to pay to a debit card that they send each new recruit. The beauty of this they said was we can extract it in China or any other country and technically our government doesn’t know.

    Third Question, you said you are an independent contractor, for an outside company hiring outside contractors there are significant steps to follow have you done this. Answer: we don’t know.

    Fourth question: Do you report your income taxes to the Chinese government? Answer: we were told by the MLM that it is up to us if we want to but our money is generated outside China.

    The numbers of recruits are huge and the big training sessions are held in Hong Kong or Taiwan but not to HK or Taiwan people going to the mainland to sell, to mainlanders who have traveled to these locations to skirt the rules of China to get on the band wagon.

    Look at the reports about this MLM’s growth the most significant growth is in Asia and in China where it is not allowed.

  40. G.Chan says:

    What James Lee said is true. I am from Hong Kong, I visited Jeunesse office in Hong Kong as my friend introduced me their antiaging products. I would describe myself an end user because I have no interest in selling any product to anyone while I am already having a busy life. I bought their products and tried for about 2 months all because I wanted to see if they work like what people said. Honestly, I didn’t feel much difference after using, no side effect (fortunately) and no obvious improvement neither. My friend who introduced the products to me only had little improvement of her skin. I don’t mind buying expensive products as long as they work slightly they are supposed to be. Here are what I think: 1) Products and Prices. Their products might work on somebodies but according to the prices(Distributor prices), they are overpriced. If you spend the same money on natural and organic foods and have a planned diet and spend more time on exercises, you might have same or even better result. 2) Business and Marketing. The people running this company are truly MLM blood suckers. The thing they care about is not your health, they care about your pocket. I think the product is not a bad product if it is priced 80% lower. If you sell a health product, you are not supposed to make it like a miracle or whatever amazing stories because a product is supposed to work when you are selling it! If it doesn’t work and you are selling it that is a fraud. It is still a fraud if you overwhelmed its function. People in this company are using standard health products as a gimmick, branding them with stories and whatever nice lifestyle images, then overpricing the products and selling them thru MLM. With the popular internet and social media, they could easily catch attention from people, as well as greedy people who buy the idea of MLM/Compensation plan and whatever you call it.
    So let’s make it short, a product should work when it is sold, no surprise no miracle no overwhelming, ok? A product should be priced reasonable (comparing to other similar products/substitutes/replacements that could bring similar results), ok? Fair enough? So, if anyone of you agree with these 2 points, you should understand there will be no place for so many lazy and greedy people.

  41. Aceyalone says:

    Hello. An ex-colleague recently sent me a link to the Jeunesse website and after watching several of its recruitment videos this afternoon I can assure anyone not yet convinced that this company is definitely a pyramid scheme and essentially running a scam. DO NOT BOTHER WITH THESE FRAUDSTERS. And to those terribly misguided individuals who keep comparing the despicable acts of companies like Jeunesse to “life” and other forms of money-making in general i.e. jobs, shut up and wake up! While many, many jobs do in essence take advantage of us as people in terms of what we get out for what we put in, none of them rob you of your money based on false promises. What you see is what you get and you earn money for the work that you do. Jeunesse sells you on a lie and is the surest way to lose a lot of money. Don’t be naive

  42. Geoff says:

    If you watch the dateline episode on Quixtar, there is a “high-ranking” member that suddenly has a “change of heart” and throws BWW (Brit World Wide) under the bus. At first, because of his good looks and southern charm you are inclined to believe what he says, and a lot of what he says is true about the evils of Quixtar/Amway/Alticor/W/e the heck it is…After doing a little digging though you can see that the man (Bo Short) is such a clever con artist he actually goes onto the show to get people to quit Amway so they can join Jeunesse where he became a leading partner. This is how scummy the people in the MLM world are, and how strong their manipulation runs. He actually tells the truth about the corruption of Quixtar, but it certainly isn’t for the consumer’s best interests. It is just another way to edify himself and give credibility to this new line of crap.

  43. Mardi says:

    Thanks LazyMan. I have been looking for something like this for a while. What a great read and I totally agree!
    Nothing in life is for free!

  44. Sean says:

    The story may be different in China. My wife joined the membership two weeks ago for paying less. She was placed in a Jeunesse team in China. She just wants to be a customer. Without recruiting any persons, she has ten people in her team now. Those persons were recruited by the distributors above her. There are may people in China and Chinese people like to try the nutrition products such as Jeunesse Reserve. It’s not difficult to grow your team there.

    • Lazy Man says:

      Well that appears to be a pyramid scheme if the people above her are recruiting into her instead of herself. It definitely seem to make any logical sense.

      China has strong anti-pyramid scheme laws and I would be surprised if Jeunesse is run multi-level there… but I admit that I haven’t cared to look at how they operate in China.

    • Sean says:

      Jeunesse only allows two teams for a specific distributor. A distributor places A in the left and B in the right. When the distributor recruits C, C would be either under A or B. A or B gets a team member without recruiting.

    • Lazy Man says:

      That looks like a pyramid scheme to me. Why reward people not doing anything? Why not reward the people doing the work with a commission? Again, it doesn’t make any logical or business sense.

  45. kls says:

    Thank you for making it available.i just met someone in jeunesse stuff in my country and wanted to know about ut.

  46. Jonas says:

    Thanks that you took soooo much time writing this review I really enjoyed it! But as Im always a bit critical I have one question. In the Video taking about what a pyramid scheme is, it said that a pyramid schemes when you try to recruit your family member, friends, people from church or even strangers. Then was is not a pyramid scheme, because that would mean that you can’t recruit anybody to not be a pyramid scheme… and somehow I find that some points aren’t being discussed clearly

    • Lazy Man says:


      I didn’t feel any comments showed any important information that I left out. If I did, please let me know which specific information you are referring to and I’ll do my best to include it.

      Often when I write about MLM, the distributors of the company come and claim that I left information out, but a vast a majority of the time I find:

      1) we disagree greatly one what is considered “important” (i.e. they say, “Well I make money…” and provide no evidence or proof)
      2) they don’t state what the information is. This becomes an empty comment of no constructive value.

      I didn’t make the video that you asked about previously. I think they stated it that way because they wanted to stress that just because family, friends, and people from the church may seem trustworthy, this is not a good test for whether a company is a pyramid scheme. I’ve read quite a few sources comparing MLM to being a cult. I recommend you take a step back and ask yourself, “Hey if my friend tried to recruit me into cult, do I just say, ‘Cool, let’s do this’?”

      If you are looking for more information on Jeunesse, I recommend this extensive article by nonprofit, consumer organization, Truth in Advertising, on Jeunesse.

  47. Jonas says:

    BTW I don’t know if it is a bit harsh to come to a conclusion that fast (I may be wrong) , because as some others commented you left some important information out. I don’t know too much about Jeunesse, but from the comments its seems a bit weird. I know that its hard to write a review because it takes a ton of time. Even a small school project takes tons of time:) haha

  48. Brenda says:

    I have a few schoolmates who are into this company. My husband was part of Primerica for a New York minute and got out. He has been a real estate broker for 20+ years. This is what I have learned…if you want money and success, earn it. Learn to work in a bad economy and good. Fishing in a barrel is only good when there are lots of fish in the barrel. If you are hungry, you will figure out how to put food on the table and a roof over your family’s heads. MLMs are not a good thing I’m afraid. But they must work for some folks. I am not interested, nor is my husband. We are focused on the real estate market.

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  50. Kn.wt.iknow says:

    MonaVie, a scam, you ask? Sure was! Now you ask if Jeunesse is a scam, sure as the sky is blue. If you have to ask, listen to your gut, do your research, of course these products are bogus. It’s all about money. Not how much money you can make, but how much they can drain from your pocket, to continue to promote the highest most corrupt distributors. You will never make a penny. Lol, you say, CLO and CVO, those positions are made up, because there were/are too many chiefs at the table, family members who need jobs, left over MonaVie big wigs. Vemma distributors running to Jeunesse, wonder how much incentive and pay went into that MLM move! MLM is a game, how to make the most money, by rewarding their top distributors and selling fake crap. Product battles, distributor loyalty issues, patent battles, product ownership battles, how could any business model surrounded by so much controversy be legitimate, if it were legitimate, the products would be for sale via normal retail channels.

  51. Snake Farm says:


    I’ve followed you for a few years…watched as people have tried to discredit your ideology, assessments, etc. These companies are all the same…

    Well, I guess the latest development with this ‘company’ are going to be unsettling for many.

    I appreciate what you do…please keep sharing information, insight and spreading the word.


    • Lazy Man says:

      Thanks info guy. I’ll give it a look. Truth In Advertising is doing a great service in covering these MLMs. I think we’ll have more consumer organizations join the team soon.

  52. Vogel says:

    Love it! They are finally going after these pricks using RICO. I have been suggesting that strategy for years now; since the Monavie days. Glad to see it’s happening. MLM deserves to have the crap beaten out of it; then relegated to the dustbin of history; the graveyard of bad ideas.

  53. Claude says:

    To see that a company promotes a ‘serum’ which is supposed to improve skin because it contains ‘stem cells’, makes me laugh. Stem cells are NOT viable outside a controlled environment and as of 2016, based on the clinical and research data we have on stem cell use, they CANNOT survive in a cream suspension! Even if they did, just leave the bottle in a handbag, carry it around during a hot summer day, and those cells are DEAD. Just those pretentions make me very suspicious about this company, to say the least.

  54. Claude says:

    And also, what cells are we talking about ? It seems they are stromal stem cells. So what ?

  55. Irene Kurth says:


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  58. Billy Rigger says:

    Ha! Well done Lazy Man!

    Let’s bump this thread up!! Very useful. You should have Google Translate it in 150+ languages.

    Many a soul have fallen. This has got to stop.

    All the stupid fake evil user defending this scam can rot in hell.

    I’ve heard they are trying to push it at real medical doctors who, sometimes, being business ignorant, end up loosing their time with these scumbags instead of treating people who are actually sick.

    Sorry for the offensive language.

    This has got to stop!



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